Spoilers Stranger Things Season 5 - SPOILERS


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The other thing they changed was Karen Wheeler. She was supposed to be younger than Dad by a bit and now she is 46, which means she had Nancy at 27, which was a bit older for kids in the 60s.
 

Episode 4: ok, I understand the Sorcerer reference now. They should have used Psionicist. Will the Wise, Psionicist is born. Now, with 008, they are three to destroy Vecna. Cool.
 
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Here's a question. Given the timeline of events in Season 1, specifically when Barb is captured compared to Will (since he was able to evade the Demogorgon for a number of days), can we assume that Vecna first attempted his plan with Barb and it presumably failed, killing her? And Will was a more successful second attempt?
I dunno. One must also consider the symbolism of that scene. Barb represents Nancy's innocence, and Barb dying in the pool is a symbol of Nancy's loss of innocence. I'm sure you could retcon it and say Vecna tried with Barb first, but the way it's shown on screen doesn't really fit with that.

Then again, the Duffer bros say they hadn't even thought of Vecna yet when they made season 1. They had the idea that there was some kind of intelligence directing the demogorgon, but hadn't thought up any details yet.

In a video interview I watched yesterday, they're asked if the figure Will sees on the road is meant to be Vecna, but they say no, it's the demogorgon. They hadn't come up with Vecna yet back then, and they haven't "George Lucas'd" the early seasons. (They still deny editing the scene of Jonathan taking pictures of Nancy at Steve's house.)
 

Good call. I had to go back and do some reading. Based on how Hopper and Joyce found Barb's body with the slug thing coming out of it, I had been working off the assumption that the Demogorgon had only captured her and dragged her off ala something from Alien/Aliens. But reading in a few places, the consensus seems to be that the Demogorgon just mauled her there in the pool instead of her being killed by whatever was being done to Will too.
 

I'm feeling a little manipulated, but as an 80s queer kid that grew up in the shadow of AIDS ... god those scenes between Robin and Will got me right in the feels.
 

My main problem with the show right now is the copious amount of exposition in place of actual plot. Why show anything when you can simply explain the plot verbatim? I don’t usually care about that so much but this is laying it on thick.
 

OK I think it’s awesome that they cast a Kiwi actress to play Holly this season. However, Nell Fisher is 14. She’s too tall and too mature to pull off a 7-year-old convincingly. Holly comes across as being more like 11 (the same age Will was when he was taken).
 

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