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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6819234" data-attributes="member: 15700">Oh.......I just can't.....where to start.NO NO NO No NO NO no!There is so much wrong in this thread it hurts my brain.  Particularly the athletic trainer part of my brain.OK, before a bunch of nerd gamers start getting into arguments about how the six stats in D&D work, PLEASE read a human physiology book first.  Then focus on the difference between aerobic exercises (which all agility exercises are) and anaerobic exercises (which is focuses on building strength). Strength and agility are not the same, cannot be swapped interchangeably, and feats of strength can't accomplish feats of agility and vice versa.  Every example the OP gave is someone who has BOTH.  And by the way, rock climbing doesn't use strength very much.  If you try (which most first timers find out in haste), is that you'll burn out before you get 20 feet up.  Rock climbing is 99% technique.  if you're using arm strength, you're doing it wrong.  Your arms and hands are there to keep you attached to the surface.  All vertical movement is done with your legs.In fact, too much strength can hinder you.  By and large, strength is increased by increased muscle mass.  Arnold had problems using his sword for stunts that relied on agility because his freaking muscles got in the way.  Strength is not the same as agility.  When we (myself and my fellow people who work out), we have to work on specific exercises that target strength, or target agility.  Upping my max bench does absolutely nothing for my agility.  And running cones or tires doesn't do a whole lot to increase my strength.  So either every professional athletic trainer is wrong, or the OP is.</blockquote>

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