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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheLoneRanger1979" data-source="post: 6819806" data-attributes="member: 6804148">Perhaps, just as an academic exercise, we should maybe arbitrarily assign a bit different methods of using the stats for determining to hit and damage bonuses. One of my major gripes in the melee system has since the early ages been the reliance on Str. I get that strong people can hit harder, but especially in armed fighting, harder does not mean more accurate (just look in system for the power attack feats). I know finesse weapons partially address this issue, but not completely. What i would propose is the "minimum attribute needed" adjusted by a secondary requirement. If Str determines how hard you hit, and how well you can maintain muscle control when doing strenuous activities (like wielding a weapon), and Dex determines your hand to eye coordination, then how about each weapon having meaningful minimal strength requirements but the overall to hit bonus being more dependent on proficiency (training) and dexterity (talent)? I.E. Dagger: Min Str:3Short Sword: Min Str:6Arming sword: Min Str: 10Long sword/bastard sword: Min Str 12Flail: Min Str: 14Mace: Min Str:11 and so on.....Str will still be the primary damage modifier and if you want to get real pedantic (and possibly overload the system) you can impose special bonuses for the type of damage dealt by the weapon. Like blunt weapons deal additional +1 damage for every +2 bonus you get from Str, while piercing damage could get its +1 from every +2 bonus of Dex and finally slashing weapons would get their +1 from every +2 bonus in proficiency. This would imply slashing weapons are the most "martial" ones, piercing the most "finesse" ones and bludgeoning weapons the most "brutish" ones...... This variation might require a return of the proficiency point though, unless you want to make different weapons effectiveness depending on what level the character is...... which is a bit too restrictive for me tastes. I certainly would not like to be less effective with slashing weapons just because i am not a high enough level.That will also work and bring the rogues closer to their 2E thief cousins. I would go with this duality for most of the stats, skills and attributes actually. Like mixing constitution and wisdom (willpower) to determine how hard a character is to go down (Hit Points).</blockquote>

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