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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8073720" data-attributes="member: 93670">None of which justifies 5e choosing to:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Remove range increments from ranged weapons</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Remove the penalty for firing into melee </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">remove the -5/-10/-15/etc penalty from second/third/etc attack while ignoring how the two prior penalties work to dramatically reduce effective range &amp; total damage output by butting a curb on extra attacks &amp; moving the first into something on par with the second if unpenalized</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">allowing +dex to both hit and damage to allow optimum SAD ranged builds.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Not doing any meaningful damage adjustments to offset the impact if those last three changes.</li>
</ul>There is so much so blatantly wrong with warlock &amp; eldritch blast that they deserve mention &amp; consideration whenever changing systems that would help bring them inline comes up because solutions&nbsp; should probably come from a combination of things rather than a couple massive warlock specific things that make compatibility difficult.&nbsp; The fact that fixing ranged combat as being discussed can be leveraged as [USER=12731]@CapnZapp[/USER] originally <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/strength-vs-dexterity-imbalance-cannot-be-solved-without-addressing-the-melee-vs-ranged-imbalance.674309/post-8073490" target="_blank">raised</a> to both improve range/melee and wrench some of warlock's problematic elements towards a more reasonable state with th small extension of swapping +cha to +str makes a strong case for why it should probably be done. i agree &amp; disagree.&nbsp; Part of the reason full casters have a lot of problems with how they fill any role other than blaster &amp; not so glassy* cannon.&nbsp; &quot;Better magical support&quot; needs to include both what a gish like an EK or AT can cast on themselves &amp; others as well as what a full caster has in their toolbox for buffing the martial characters around them.&nbsp; Even though a full caster might choose to cast one or more of those same gish spells on an ally they should have more powerful spells in their toolbox that make learning/preparing those lesser gish spells unlikely*compared to when they were actully &amp; truly glass cannons is that wotc changed how magic works &amp; the balance of all the spells to fit the needs of every in combat casting gish rather than making separate spells &amp; spell lists for that sort of extreme</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8073720, member: 93670"] None of which justifies 5e choosing to: [LIST] [*]Remove range increments from ranged weapons [*]Remove the penalty for firing into melee [*]remove the -5/-10/-15/etc penalty from second/third/etc attack while ignoring how the two prior penalties work to dramatically reduce effective range & total damage output by butting a curb on extra attacks & moving the first into something on par with the second if unpenalized [*]allowing +dex to both hit [I]and[/I] damage to allow optimum SAD ranged builds. [*]Not doing any meaningful damage adjustments to offset the impact if those last three changes. [/LIST] There is so much so blatantly wrong with warlock & eldritch blast that they deserve mention & consideration whenever changing systems that would help bring them inline comes up because solutions should probably come from a combination of things rather than a couple massive warlock specific things that make compatibility difficult. The fact that fixing ranged combat as being discussed can be leveraged as [USER=12731]@CapnZapp[/USER] originally [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/strength-vs-dexterity-imbalance-cannot-be-solved-without-addressing-the-melee-vs-ranged-imbalance.674309/post-8073490']raised[/URL] to both improve range/melee and wrench [I]some[/I] of warlock's problematic elements towards a more reasonable state with th small extension of swapping +cha to +str makes a strong case for why it should probably be done. i agree & disagree. Part of the reason full casters have a lot of problems with how they fill any role other than blaster & not so glassy* cannon. "Better magical support" needs to include both what a gish like an EK or AT can cast on themselves & others as well as what a full caster has in their toolbox for buffing the martial characters around them. Even though a full caster might choose to cast one or more of those same gish spells on an ally they should have more powerful spells in their toolbox that make learning/preparing those lesser gish spells unlikely *compared to when they were actully & truly glass cannons is that wotc changed how magic works & the balance of all the spells to fit the needs of every in combat casting gish rather than making separate spells & spell lists for that sort of extreme [/QUOTE]

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