Stupidity of Comics

[ddvmor]

It's part of the reason I don't read any of the Ultimate line. Make up your own stories rather than going back and doing your own version of the classics.

I, on the other hand read most of the Ultimate line. Having only relatively recently started reading Marvel, I've found them to me much more enjoyable than the established series simply because they aren't mired in decades of back-story. They also haven't introduced much in the way of aliens or magic. Keep it simple, I say.

My all time favourite super-hero has always been Batman, simply because he has no powers - but I agree that he doesn't really fit in with the rest of the DC universe. It's always odd to see him fighting alongside his 'super' colleagues in the Justice Leauge.

The Batman comics have almost always avoided using magic, aliens or overly super powers (other than the odd Superman cameo), which is why it kinda grated when Bruce had his back repaired with some sort of psychic mumbo jumbo after that nasty Bane incident.

 

[Viking Bastard]

And this "Silver Age Renaissance" is one of the dumbest directions DCs been allowing.

I agree and disagree. Personally, I'm against going backwards with the status quo, but going
back to a more free-spirited and less continuity obsessed age of comic book writing I'm all for.

As for the suggestion that DC is somehow less realistic than Marvel, I don't see it.

Agreed. I always groan at the Marvel junkies that uphold Marvel superority by it's "realism".

Anyway, why would I want realism in my superhero comics?

What I meant with my 'Marvel has no excuses for the alleged comic book "stupidity"'
comment is that while the DCU has never been good with continuity and that kinda internal
logic (they didn't even try until the late 70s and when they attempted to 'fix' it, it only got
worse) continuity has been a Marvel Universe staple since it's conception.

 

[Berandor]

The reason I don't read comics much any more is that I have to buy forty-eight issues to get a single storyline.

 

[Klaus]

That's called "decompression" and yeah, it sucks. That's why I liked Grant Morrison's JLA. So much stuff was crammed into those pages, it read like a rolercoaster!

That's why I'm looking forward to his "Superman All-Stars" 12-issue series.

 

[Morrus]

The reason I don't read comics much any more is that I have to buy forty-eight issues to get a single storyline.

Yeah... I only buy trade paperbacks. Probably means I'm missing out on a lot, but the effort/reward ratio isn't worth it to me. Plus with so many different lines and things affecting each other in different comics (how many different comics is Superman starring in at the moment?) it's just too confusing.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Actually I'd say it's not and they get a fair amount of criticism for bringing people back from the dead, it's a running joke at the very least.

From Astonishing X-Men #6:

Emma: Jean Grey is dead, Agent.

Brand: Yeah, that'll last.

Joss, I love you.

I used to collect comics heavily, but I gave it up years ago. There was just too much garbage to sift through. These days, I'm cautiously dipping my toe back in the waters. So far, Astonishing X-Men has been fantastic. The new Strange is good, too.

 

[Villano]

Agreed. I always groan at the Marvel junkies that uphold Marvel superority by it's "realism".

Well, I wasn't trying to say it was better. I was just pointing out the logic problems when everyone knows that magic and everything else exists.

I only collect a handful of comics nowadays and the only Marvel title (not counting a few Essential TPBs) is She-Hulk.

What I meant with my 'Marvel has no excuses for the alleged comic book "stupidity"' comment is that while the DCU has never been good with continuity and that kinda internal logic (they didn't even try until the late 70s and when they attempted to 'fix' it, it only got worse) continuity has been a Marvel Universe staple since it's conception.

With DC, it seems like the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing sometimes. John Byrne's run on Wonder Woman alone screwed up so much.

Marvel does occasionally botch things. I remember they brought back Vamp in Deadpool back in the '90s. Vamp was a beautiful woman who could turn into an androgynous-looking monster with psychic powers. The problem is that she was pretty definitively killed off by the Scourge.

I don't think they ever acknowledged the "death". In fact, I'm pretty sure that the writer said in an interview he didn't know she was dead when he first used her. That's something that should have been caught by an editor somewhere.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

I don't think they ever acknowledged the "death". In fact, I'm pretty sure that the writer said in an interview he didn't know she was dead when he first used her. That's something that should have been caught by an editor somewhere.

Actually, Joe Kelly had originally planned to write a storyline regarding her resurrection (he wanted to use the character as a recurring villainess for Deadpool). He subsequently changed his mind, though. He eventually explained her "resurrection" in Deadpool #0, in which it was revealed that the new Vamp was actually a clone created by Arnim Zola (along with many other clones of dead/lame supervillains). Deadpool ended up killing them all... again.

 

[WayneLigon]

If I remember correctly, Barbara has been offered a chance to walk again (Amazonian purple ray, I think) and she turned them down.

It's just a genre convention of most comics that many changes that could take place do not, because most people are going to require some grounding in the real world to be able to enjoy the fantastic. If every advance and every plot point were aggresively followed through to their (perhaps) logical conclusion the world would be virtually unrecognizable. Some books do, in fact, do this but they tend to be mini-series or niche books.

 

[Klaus]

Actually it was Prometheus who offered Oracle her legs back, if she betrayed the League. She turned him down.

In real life people who suffered spinal cord injuries are seeing huge improvements in their conditions. How can Barbara not improve one iota even though she lives in the DC Earth is beyond me...