Subtle Rule Changes

[Starbuck_II]

You can no longer take more nonlethal damage than your maximum hit point total. Any excess is lethal damage.

Wait, so Tarressque can now be killed by nonlethal?

 

[an_idol_mind]

Wait, so Tarressque can now be killed by nonlethal?

The Tarrasque can regenerate, so no.

If you could stop its regeneration and somehow deal 1,716 points of nonlethal damage, though, you could conceivably beat the tarrasque to death. Good luck with that, though.

 

[pawsplay]

Actually Pun-Pun begins with a kobold sorcerer with a viper familiar and an obscure template from Serpeant Kingdoms.

Does he? I must be growing senile.

 

[coyote6]

The Tarrasque can regenerate, so no.

If you could stop its regeneration and somehow deal 1,716 points of nonlethal damage, though, you could conceivably beat the tarrasque to death. Good luck with that, though.

<insert obligatory Chuck Norris reference here>

I'm glad there's an exemption for critters with Regeneration; the thought of just being able to beat a troll to death didn't seem right.

 

[Starbuck_II]

Well, one ciggeratte and you can beat a troll to death. You just have to overcome Regeneration each rd before it stops working.

 

[joela]

It was very ripe for abuse. Nothing like a wizard and his familiar breathing fire or some such after the wizard casts Dragon's Breath.

Or the wizard using Shapechange to transform into said dragon....

 

[Wicht]

Well, one ciggeratte and you can beat a troll to death. You just have to overcome Regeneration each rd before it stops working.

Any DM that allows this is being very generous. Any party that tries this is being very stupid.

Personally I would rule that a cigarette did 1 point of nonlethal damage. I would not allow it to do any appreciable fire damage. Same goes for pipe coals.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

What about lighting a stick/club/torch on fire with Prestidigitation?
PRD's down right now, so I can't check if that spell still exists. But assuming it does, that lasts an hour and can be cast infinite times per day now, so the caster always be "buffed" with it, ready to set a stick on fire.

 

[Wicht]

What about lighting a stick/club/torch on fire with Prestidigitation?
PRD's down right now, so I can't check if that spell still exists. But assuming it does, that lasts an hour and can be cast infinite times per day now, so the caster always be "buffed" with it, ready to set a stick on fire.

There is no in game difference between taking one round to light a torch with prestidigitation and taking one round to light a torch with flint and steel. But even way back in Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, the very best weapon a low level party could use against trolls was torches and branches pulled from the campfire. Unless you were an archer with a bow. Then the best weapon was to tie flaming rags to your arrows and use those.

And trolls aside, casters in the know always have prestidigitation memorized. Its one of the most useful of the cantrips.

 

[Andras]

If acid also by-passes Troll regeneration, Melf's Acid Arrow just got a lot handier.