Succubus and her Kiss ability?

[Sojorn]

HOWEVER. She can dominate at will, and the domination lasts until the end of her next turn. So she can say "You ain't going anywhere", and put a leash and collar on her new bodyguard.

Does dominate not count as an attack?

 

[hong]

Does dominate not count as an attack?

It goes: dominate, THEN kiss. Not the other way round.

 

[Boarstorm]

Does dominate not count as an attack?

No harm, no foul?

 

[Sojorn]

It goes: dominate, THEN kiss. Not the other way round.

But then the aforementioned running away occurs when the dominate runs out at the end of the turn.

 

[hong]

But then the aforementioned running away occurs when the dominate runs out at the end of the turn.

It goes like this.

Succubus' turn: dominates Fred, moves next to him.
Fred's turn: attacks friends.
Succubus' turn: kisses Fred.
(Fred's friends' turn: attack succubus, beat Fred up.)
Fred's turn: run away!

 

[hong]

Also, note that the succubus using its kiss on PCs is likely to be the exception, not the rule. The most likely result is that the _NPC_ whom the succubus seduced beforehand, the old-fashioned way, jumps to its defense and uses the shield-other ability to protect it. That's how a succubus would generally be encountered: as an already-present actor in a scenario, who has worked its magic on an unsuspecting victim as part of the adventure background. The PCs are there to find and expose it, while being hindered by NPCs who would normally be on their side.

People seem to be assuming that the succubus will use the kiss on a PC, without any prior interaction, as a way of defending itself. I'd say that the succubus will rely on its pre-existing target for that, while using its other powers -- flight, change shape, dominate, etc -- to fight the PCs. Note also that the charming kiss can only be used on one person at a time, so that's another reason why it wouldn't kiss anyone willy-nilly.

 

[Sojorn]

It goes like this.

Succubus' turn: dominates Fred, moves next to him.
Fred's turn: attacks friends.
Succubus' turn: kisses Fred.
(Fred's friends' turn: attack succubus, beat Fred up.)
Fred's turn: run away!

Heh, it's in the succubus's best interest to kiss the person with that goes right before her in the initiative order. Which then creates some interesting initiative shuffle as both the succubus and the victim want the other one to go first. Or the victim can also just try and hide behind the fighter. Unless the victim is the fighter.

Potential, yes, hm. Not to mention this will continue the tradition of succubi making everyone act like 3rd graders.

"She kissed you? Ewwwwww! Run away!"

 

[hong]

Heh, it's in the succubus's best interest to kiss the person with that goes right before her in the initiative order.

It's actually in the succubus' best interest not to kiss anyone. See prevous.

 

[Sojorn]

It's actually in the succubus' best interest not to kiss anyone. See prevous.

Right. Prepping a shield. It does work a lot better that way.