Sudden metamagic and item creation

[beaver1024]

How would you calculate the pricing of a magic item that contains a spell modified by a Sudden metamagic feat? eg a scroll of Sudden Extended Mage Armour?

 

[Thanee]

Same as a scroll of extended Mage Armor.

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Thanee

 

[FireLance]

Essentially, no difference in what the item does should mean no difference in price, either to create or to buy. And, no scrolls of Sudden Maximized Meteor Swarms before epic levels, please.

 

[Plane Sailing]

How would you calculate the pricing of a magic item that contains a spell modified by a Sudden metamagic feat? eg a scroll of Sudden Extended Mage Armour?

I'd be inclined to either (a) consider the metamagic rods for guidance since they provide "sudden metamagic" abilities or (b) not allow it, just use the standard metamagic feat with appropriate level increase and hence cost increase.

Cheers

 

[Thanee]

I'd be inclined to either (a) consider the metamagic rods for guidance since they provide "sudden metamagic" abilities...

(See the other thread about Metamagic Rods and Item Creation about why I think they do not provide "sudden metamagic" ability.)

But... what do you mean with "consider the metamagic rods for guidance"?

There are no rules, which really cover the use of metamagic rods in item creation (which is the basic question in the abovementioned thread).

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Thanee

 

[beaver1024]

So no official or clear ruling one way or another but a good house rule might be cost the magic item as if you were using the normal version of the Sudden metamagic feat. I think I can go with that.

 

[ThoughtfulOwl]

So no official or clear ruling one way or another but a good house rule might be cost the magic item as if you were using the normal version of the Sudden metamagic feat. I think I can go with that.

It's likely the best solution. Consider this: compared to regular metamagic, sudden metamagic feats offer metamagic on the fly without slot level or casting time increase and pay for it with the 1/day limit; but if you make a scroll of sudden maximized fireball you can't really apply the drawback, so you shouldn't give the benefit, either.

 

[c47]

When making a scroll one needs to have the spell available for use each day. If you can cast the spell then this slot is used for the each day you make the scroll. Now if you can perform either metamagic or sudden metamagic feats on the spell each day then the spell on the scroll becomes effected by the feat. The spell level is not effected. i.e. a scroll of flame strike is a 5th level spell cast at minimum of 9th regardless of metamagic effect on it as metamagic feats do not effect the level of the spell only the slot from which they come from.

So to answer the original question:

A scroll of Sudden Extended Mage Armor cost exactly the same as normal Extended Mage Armor which is the same cost to make as a scroll of Mage Armor.

However the market price might be slightly more as this would be a more desirable scroll than the standard.

 

[AuraSeer]

A scroll of Sudden Extended Mage Armor cost exactly the same as normal Extended Mage Armor which is the same cost to make as a scroll of Mage Armor.

That's not correct. Since Extended mage armor takes up a second level slot, a scroll of it is priced as a second-level spell. That means it costs 150 gp, instead of 25 gp for regular mage armor.

 

[c47]

Can you point me to the source that says about scrolls being priced on the spell slot they use. All I can find is that it is based on spell level which the metamagic feats each say (apart from heighten spell) do not effect the spell level.

I agree that this does not feel right and that a premium should be paid for a metamagic scroll however I cannot find a written rule to describe this premium.