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<blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 4111623" data-attributes="member: 51942"><p>Speaking as a DM, I can say for sure that you <em>don't</em> want to allow wraithstrike. If the PC's can use it, I allow it for NPC's too, and persistent wraithstrike might seem powerful when persistent on a PC, but a plain old wraithstrike on a power-attacking dragaon is (potentially) an instant TPK. Indeed persist may make the exploit more obvious, but the problem is in the spells themselves and not persist.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>From the cleric's perspective, sudden quicken is more powerful than sudden persist. A Cleric that's trying to be "overpowered" will need to attack as often and as strongly as possible, and free action casting is a very important part of that since it allows you to full attack <em>and</em> cast. Persist is cool, but a single persist spell doesn't change much; you'll still need to buff before each combat, so it's much less balance changing.</p><p></p><p>For that matter; no sane cleric would take sudden quicken with those prereq's (right?).</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a good point, and I would amend the current sudden persist proposal to only apply to clerics. A druid with persistent bite of the werebear... shudder.</p><p></p><p>I still think that for a cleric a single persisted spell each day isn't a game-balance problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eamon, post: 4111623, member: 51942"] Speaking as a DM, I can say for sure that you [i]don't[/i] want to allow wraithstrike. If the PC's can use it, I allow it for NPC's too, and persistent wraithstrike might seem powerful when persistent on a PC, but a plain old wraithstrike on a power-attacking dragaon is (potentially) an instant TPK. Indeed persist may make the exploit more obvious, but the problem is in the spells themselves and not persist. From the cleric's perspective, sudden quicken is more powerful than sudden persist. A Cleric that's trying to be "overpowered" will need to attack as often and as strongly as possible, and free action casting is a very important part of that since it allows you to full attack [i]and[/i] cast. Persist is cool, but a single persist spell doesn't change much; you'll still need to buff before each combat, so it's much less balance changing. For that matter; no sane cleric would take sudden quicken with those prereq's (right?). That's a good point, and I would amend the current sudden persist proposal to only apply to clerics. A druid with persistent bite of the werebear... shudder. I still think that for a cleric a single persisted spell each day isn't a game-balance problem. [/QUOTE]
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