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<blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 4119971" data-attributes="member: 30610">Now I'm curious.&nbsp; Eamon, how many persistent spells per day would you say it takes for a cleric to become &quot;broken?&quot;&nbsp; It seems to me that even if you find the Sudden Persist feat harmless by itself, what it's really doing in any build that relies on persistent spells is adding another 7 turnings per day to a character with DMM<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />.You say this right after talking about AMFs.&nbsp; How well do your fighters do without magical weapons or armor?&nbsp; I'm guessing not so well, because I've seen fighters get just as hosed as front-line clerics when stuck in AMFs.&nbsp; But maybe I'm wrong.&nbsp; What are they doing for builds that isn't affected by all their gear losing magical properties?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="moritheil, post: 4119971, member: 30610"] Now I'm curious. Eamon, how many persistent spells per day would you say it takes for a cleric to become "broken?" It seems to me that even if you find the Sudden Persist feat harmless by itself, what it's really doing in any build that relies on persistent spells is adding another 7 turnings per day to a character with DMM:P. You say this right after talking about AMFs. How well do your fighters do without magical weapons or armor? I'm guessing not so well, because I've seen fighters get just as hosed as front-line clerics when stuck in AMFs. But maybe I'm wrong. What are they doing for builds that isn't affected by all their gear losing magical properties? [/QUOTE]

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