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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 4129184" data-attributes="member: 51942">Well, these other cases aren't much different from DMM-Persist.  Since a "Sudden Persist" feat would be most similar to DMM-Persist, I don't see additional troubles.  That is, the "unfairness" already exists and this is no different.  Anyspell (good catch!) is a special case, and I feel that a uniform treatment is in order: a sudden persist feat should work like divine metamagic, and that means it should only apply to divine spells.  If you consider Anyspell to be a divine spell, then your DMM problems will be greater than sudden persist's, but given that anyspell says it "allows you to read and prepare any arcane spell" and "When you cast the arcane spell, it works just as though cast by a wizard of your cleric level" which to me indicates it's an arcane spell, to which DMM-Persist and by extension Sudden Persist should not function.So, the modified Sudden Persist would have Sudden Extend as prerequisite, and apply only to spells on the cleric spell list which satisfy the requirements as specified in Persist Spell.  This is subtly stricter from the DMM specification which is a little more lenient, but needlessly complex, that only applies to divine spells that you know (both of which incidentally should prohibit anyspell abuse, IMHO).Looking through the wizard spells, I see quite a few worrisome examples.  Some of those are 5th level or lower, but many are in the 6-8th range (I've never played a game including casters capable of casting 9th level spells).  Simple things like lightning ring (two free action 5d6 lightning bolts each round, and more electrical effects) look pretty nasty, and all the Bite of... spells are there, there's wraithstike, iron body, and weird things like gutsnake and superior invisibility...I don't think a wizard's spell list is balanced with a feat like sudden persist, though isolated spells like fire shield are probably fine.  Maybe it's fine despite the wizards different spell list, but it's a more risky choice than allowing sudden persist for cleric spells.</blockquote>

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