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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3104484" data-attributes="member: 2011">I do not totally agree. Suggestion still should have some teeth to it.Charm Person 1st level, 1 hour per level - could get many actions as if target were a friend.Suggestion 3rd level, max 1 hour per level - one set of related activities, but compelling.Dominate Person 5th level, 1 day per level - many many actions, but absolutely compelling and long duration.Compared to Charm Person and Dominate Person, it looks like Suggestion is at the appropriate level.The thing to do is not give it the Carte Blanche of Dominate Person, but to give it more umph than Charm Person.One way to do this is to understand that Suggestion is a Compulsion spell. The word "Suggestion" is pretty lame as a name. The name Compulsion is more apt than Suggestion. As such, consider the caster to be more of a friend than with Charm Person. If your best buddy suggested that you do this action and the action is reasonable for the current situation, then you should do it. This to me is the litmus test of Suggestion. A third level spell should be more potent than a first level spell.And, Suggestion is really not much different than any other mind affecting spell: Scare, Command, Cause Fear, Color Spray, Fear, etc. Mind Affecting means Mind Affecting. It does not mean "Hmmm, let me rationally think about this for a moment".If the NPC does know it is a pool of acid, he will not do an obviously harmful action like jump in. So by definition of the spell, that example must mean that the NPC does not know it is a pool of acid. On the other hand, he also will not deduce that it is acid either unless he has significant evidence (i.e. "obviously harmful"). He is mind affected and compelled.If the action sounds reasonable when the spell is cast and he misses his save, he's mind affected.</blockquote>

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