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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3105871" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>As Fireball has significant potential to affect multiple targets, there is a necessity for Suggestion to be better than Fireball in combat for a single target. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>And, if Suggestion can be used outside of combat, so can Fireball.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In other words, both spells have Pros and Cons. Suggestion is Close Range. Suggestion is single target. Suggestion requires reasonable wording. Fireball is Long Range. Fireball can be multiple target.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So yes, Suggestion is still a third level spell and should not be watered down. If a Fireball save is failed in combat, then a given target might still survive and might still be capable of being a threat. If a Suggestion save is failed in combat, then the target should no longer be a threat depending on the actual suggestion.</p><p></p><p>Suggestion is a third level spell between the first level Charm Person and the fifth level Dominate Person and as such, it should be stronger than the former and weaker than the latter.</p><p></p><p>Making it weaker than the former is lame.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3105871, member: 2011"] As Fireball has significant potential to affect multiple targets, there is a necessity for Suggestion to be better than Fireball in combat for a single target. ;) And, if Suggestion can be used outside of combat, so can Fireball. In other words, both spells have Pros and Cons. Suggestion is Close Range. Suggestion is single target. Suggestion requires reasonable wording. Fireball is Long Range. Fireball can be multiple target. So yes, Suggestion is still a third level spell and should not be watered down. If a Fireball save is failed in combat, then a given target might still survive and might still be capable of being a threat. If a Suggestion save is failed in combat, then the target should no longer be a threat depending on the actual suggestion. Suggestion is a third level spell between the first level Charm Person and the fifth level Dominate Person and as such, it should be stronger than the former and weaker than the latter. Making it weaker than the former is lame. [/QUOTE]
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