Summoning nicely

[Gwarok]

I play an enchanter in a very magic poor world. There are no colleges of magic, and I am very poor to boot. I just got Planar Binding and had an idea. I wanted to summon creatures from the planes to teach me spells. At first I thought of summoning evil creatures, wringing knowledge from them, but the idea of my nice elven Enchanter learning so much from evil creatures didnt sit well.

But summoning seems to be a rude thing to do to an angel or good guys. At least the books are a bit unclear on that, is there a way to do this without insulting the good guys I wish to summon? I had planned on making them nice gifts and offering to trade spells and knowledge and never threatening imprisonment or the like. Any ideas or interpretations on this?

 

[melkoriii]

Are you a good aligned person?

IF so I dont see any problem with them teaching you spells.

As a DM I would have the more knowlagable ones ask for a task to be done.

Great time for a sub-adventure.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

But summoning seems to be a rude thing to do to an angel or good guys. At least the books are a bit unclear on that, is there a way to do this without insulting the good guys I wish to summon? I had planned on making them nice gifts and offering to trade spells and knowledge and never threatening imprisonment or the like. Any ideas or interpretations on this?

Strictly by the Core rules, Planar Binding is an invasive spell. It's more like "Get over here!" rather than "Could you please meet with me?" Clerics are the ones who get to be nice via Planar Ally. Wizards command.

As a DM, though, I'd allow a wizard to attempt what you're saying. He'd simply call a planar creature, then immediately marr the summoning circle upon the creature's arrival (thus removing the compulsion part of the spell.) He'd then have to talk really fast before the creature either attacks or flees.

 

[Malicene]

U can also try to call Elemental creatures like Effret or djinn, or Fearie (lillend...) or Eladrin (Ghaele) normally Faerie and Eladrin shouldn't attack you if you're good aligned, but they can refuse to help you (CG) don't mess with LG celestial they will ask to perform some quest for them

if not, a time consuming solution is to "discover" existing spell you cannot have without a College or Master ! (but I think u did it already)

Last word : Elemental (Neutral aligned) can be bribed quite easily, as they don't care what you've gonna do with thier magic but have to have a big gold purse !

never forget your magic circle (even against good !)

 

[Darklone]

What about scrying the thing you want to summon before and ask it per tongues and message if it would object to be summoned????

 

[Zhure]

- Bribe a cleric to do it for you.

- Research your own Planar calling spell. Just like the clerical version.

Oddly, I noticed the planar ally chain of spells are all aligned spells. Clerics can't summon creatures of an opposing alignment. Never noticed that before, but I tend to shy away from using such spells as a player (I think calling spells overcomplicate my DM's life) and as a DM I just give the BBEG whatever extraplanar contacts I think are necessary for the plot as long as they are explicable.

Greg

 

[Staffan]

[BOddly, I noticed the planar ally chain of spells are all aligned spells. Clerics can't summon creatures of an opposing alignment.[/B]

Of course they are. After all, it's not so much the cleric actually calling the being as asking his god to send him someone to help. He may request someone in particular, but getting it isn't guaranteed. That's why they're called Planar ally as opposed to Planar binding.