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<blockquote data-quote="Merkuri" data-source="post: 5183101" data-attributes="member: 41321"><p>I really like the unanswered questions of Sam standing outside the house in the very last scene, and I think this episode could have done as the series finale as it is, unedited.</p><p></p><p>Sam standing outside suggests that the story is not actually over, even if the series has ended. Sam could have just been a metaphor to represent that Dean has not given up on him even though he promised he would. Showing Sam standing outside like that may just be the writers' way of showing us that Sam will always be in Dean's thoughts, just out of reach.</p><p></p><p>And by the way, I would not call Dean going home to his kid and the woman he loves as hell. I'm sure he's suffering the loss of his brother, but losses like that fade with time, even though we may think otherwise. Whether he continues hunting or not, I wouldn't say this is a bad ending for him.</p><p></p><p>And something I just thought about - Sam trapped in the cage with Lucifer AND Michael is probably different than if Sam was just in there with Lucifer alone. They were talking about Sam's life in the cage being hell, but that was before they knew Michael would be in there as well.</p><p></p><p>No matter how bastard-like the angels are, I find it hard to believe that Michael would just stand by and let Lucifer torture Sam forever. It's not so much that I think Michael will protect Sam, but because Michael is there Lucifer can't focus on Sam full time. Worst case scenario I see is that Sam and the other vessel (whose name I forget - I'm bad with names) spend their time in the cage trying to stay out of the way of Lucifer and Michael, who end up fighting their Armageddon inside the cage. It's not great, sure, but it's also not being tortured for 20 years and then being forced to torture other souls for another 20. And the best case scenario is that the cage is actually some sort of stasis zone where the entities inside can't really do anything to each other. </p><p></p><p>So what I'm saying is that even is Sam stays in the cage it's probably not going to be as bad as what Dean went through in actual hell.</p><p></p><p>It is not a happy ending. It's a bittersweet ending. The brothers have parted, but their connection to each other saved the world, and I think that IS a triumph of exactly the right kind. Their sacrifice makes the ending that much more powerful.</p><p></p><p>This whole ending reminds me of the early Dragonlance novels that I read as a teenager. (Warning, spoilers for those novels upcoming... not bothering to sblock because they've been out for years and years.) I don't recall which books this happened in, but I do know that at the end of one trilogy or another Rastlin finally redeems himself by sacrificing himself to save his brother and the world. I don't recall the exact details of it now, but I know that Rastlin was my favorite character in the whole series, and as a teenager his death really tore me apart. It literally took me an entire week to come to terms with it (I'm sure my family thought I was insane) and realize that it was really the best ending that the authors could have written. The sacrifice was beautiful in that bittersweet way I've learned to love.</p><p></p><p>And then in the next book they brought him back with no effort at all. Poof, he's just back again. I felt like I had been slapped in the face. That emotional rollercoaster I rode on for a week while I came to terms with his death was all for nothing because he wasn't really gone. It's just like he took a nap or something.</p><p></p><p>This is how I feel about the ending to Supernatural (though not as strongly, of course, since the hormones of puberty aren't tugging at me this time). I don't want Sam to rot in hell forever, nor do I want Dean to mourn for his brother the rest of his life. But to bring Sam back would cheapen his sacrifice - both of their sacrifices. I know it's going to happen, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Merkuri, post: 5183101, member: 41321"] I really like the unanswered questions of Sam standing outside the house in the very last scene, and I think this episode could have done as the series finale as it is, unedited. Sam standing outside suggests that the story is not actually over, even if the series has ended. Sam could have just been a metaphor to represent that Dean has not given up on him even though he promised he would. Showing Sam standing outside like that may just be the writers' way of showing us that Sam will always be in Dean's thoughts, just out of reach. And by the way, I would not call Dean going home to his kid and the woman he loves as hell. I'm sure he's suffering the loss of his brother, but losses like that fade with time, even though we may think otherwise. Whether he continues hunting or not, I wouldn't say this is a bad ending for him. And something I just thought about - Sam trapped in the cage with Lucifer AND Michael is probably different than if Sam was just in there with Lucifer alone. They were talking about Sam's life in the cage being hell, but that was before they knew Michael would be in there as well. No matter how bastard-like the angels are, I find it hard to believe that Michael would just stand by and let Lucifer torture Sam forever. It's not so much that I think Michael will protect Sam, but because Michael is there Lucifer can't focus on Sam full time. Worst case scenario I see is that Sam and the other vessel (whose name I forget - I'm bad with names) spend their time in the cage trying to stay out of the way of Lucifer and Michael, who end up fighting their Armageddon inside the cage. It's not great, sure, but it's also not being tortured for 20 years and then being forced to torture other souls for another 20. And the best case scenario is that the cage is actually some sort of stasis zone where the entities inside can't really do anything to each other. So what I'm saying is that even is Sam stays in the cage it's probably not going to be as bad as what Dean went through in actual hell. It is not a happy ending. It's a bittersweet ending. The brothers have parted, but their connection to each other saved the world, and I think that IS a triumph of exactly the right kind. Their sacrifice makes the ending that much more powerful. This whole ending reminds me of the early Dragonlance novels that I read as a teenager. (Warning, spoilers for those novels upcoming... not bothering to sblock because they've been out for years and years.) I don't recall which books this happened in, but I do know that at the end of one trilogy or another Rastlin finally redeems himself by sacrificing himself to save his brother and the world. I don't recall the exact details of it now, but I know that Rastlin was my favorite character in the whole series, and as a teenager his death really tore me apart. It literally took me an entire week to come to terms with it (I'm sure my family thought I was insane) and realize that it was really the best ending that the authors could have written. The sacrifice was beautiful in that bittersweet way I've learned to love. And then in the next book they brought him back with no effort at all. Poof, he's just back again. I felt like I had been slapped in the face. That emotional rollercoaster I rode on for a week while I came to terms with his death was all for nothing because he wasn't really gone. It's just like he took a nap or something. This is how I feel about the ending to Supernatural (though not as strongly, of course, since the hormones of puberty aren't tugging at me this time). I don't want Sam to rot in hell forever, nor do I want Dean to mourn for his brother the rest of his life. But to bring Sam back would cheapen his sacrifice - both of their sacrifices. I know it's going to happen, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. [/QUOTE]
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