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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 9452002" data-attributes="member: 20323">I've come to hold the view that any Surprise &amp; Initiative rules attempt a one-size-fits-all solution (which is a perfectly reasonable impulse to keep it simple) for multiple distinct situations which just don't conform to those rules. Rather there are multiple forms of Surprise &amp; multiple forms Initiative can take depending on the situation.For instance, there's the advance-planned ambush Surprise which might be best reflected by the ambushing side choosing the terrain layout to their maximum advantage.There's the scout sent ahead Surprise which really needs the &quot;surprise round&quot; (or 2014 surprised not-a-condition) in order for &quot;I get the guard before they can shout alarm&quot; to work.Then there's the OSR style party comes around the corner as troglodytes come around the corner... who is surprised? Then the 2024 advantage/disadvantage on initiative checks makes more sense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 9452002, member: 20323"] I've come to hold the view that [I]any [/I]Surprise & Initiative rules attempt a one-size-fits-all solution (which is a perfectly reasonable impulse to keep it simple) for multiple distinct situations which just don't conform to those rules. Rather there are [I]multiple [/I]forms of Surprise & [I]multiple [/I]forms Initiative can take depending on the situation. For instance, there's the advance-planned ambush Surprise which might be best reflected by the ambushing side choosing the terrain layout to their maximum advantage. There's the scout sent ahead Surprise which really needs the "surprise round" (or 2014 surprised not-a-condition) in order for "I get the guard before they can shout alarm" to work. Then there's the OSR style party comes around the corner as troglodytes come around the corner... who is surprised? Then the 2024 advantage/disadvantage on initiative checks makes more sense. [/QUOTE]

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