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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 4688588" data-attributes="member: 111"><p>Oh, that's an <strong><em>easy</em></strong> one.</p><p></p><p>No... Freezing Cloud requires no action to sustain it. </p><p></p><p>Remember that the rules clarification, or interpretation, if you prefer, (restated for clarity and simplicity) from CustServ is:</p><p></p><p><u><strong><em>While sustaining a power</em></strong>, a ranged or area attack will allow an OA. The attack type (ranged, area, close, etc.), when unspecified, is of the same type listed in the power's description.</u></p><p></p><p>I put the "when specified" clause in there specifically to address future powers that may actually specify something different from the base power's attack type. For example, though they did not do this, M's sword could easily have been written as "Sustain Minor: When you sustain the sword, it makes a melee attack (Intelligence vs. Reflex)." It's possible, I suppose, some powers might get written that way in the future, so I allowed for it in the re-stated rules from CustServ that I wrote above. </p><p></p><p>So, following the rule from above:</p><p></p><p>Sustaining M's Sword is a minor action that results in an attack and that attack is a ranged attack, thus it provokes an OA.</p><p></p><p>Freezing Cloud requires no sustaining, thus any attacks done in future rounds are the result of something that is <strong><em>not an action</em></strong> (despite the rule "...Any creature that enters the cloud or starts its turn there is subject to another attack...") and thus does not provoke an OA. In this case, the attack role is simply a convenient way to adjucate whether someone gets hit by the cloud.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the really easy question, Hyp.</p><p></p><p>I think I've really got this one nailed with a simple rule that covers all situations. Now that I've said that, I suppose someone will come up with a tricky situation.</p><p></p><p>Next question?</p><p></p><p>P.S. I have no heartburn with any DM would rules that M's Sword was really meant to work the way I re-wrote it above and thus does not provoke an OA. That's simply a question of a DM deciding on the intent of the rule. I simply happen to think it's easier to have a blanket rule without any exceptions to complicate it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 4688588, member: 111"] Oh, that's an [b][i]easy[/i][/b][i][/i] one. No... Freezing Cloud requires no action to sustain it. Remember that the rules clarification, or interpretation, if you prefer, (restated for clarity and simplicity) from CustServ is: [u][b][i]While sustaining a power[/i][/b][i][/i], a ranged or area attack will allow an OA. The attack type (ranged, area, close, etc.), when unspecified, is of the same type listed in the power's description.[/u] I put the "when specified" clause in there specifically to address future powers that may actually specify something different from the base power's attack type. For example, though they did not do this, M's sword could easily have been written as "Sustain Minor: When you sustain the sword, it makes a melee attack (Intelligence vs. Reflex)." It's possible, I suppose, some powers might get written that way in the future, so I allowed for it in the re-stated rules from CustServ that I wrote above. So, following the rule from above: Sustaining M's Sword is a minor action that results in an attack and that attack is a ranged attack, thus it provokes an OA. Freezing Cloud requires no sustaining, thus any attacks done in future rounds are the result of something that is [b][i]not an action[/i][/b][i][/i] (despite the rule "...Any creature that enters the cloud or starts its turn there is subject to another attack...") and thus does not provoke an OA. In this case, the attack role is simply a convenient way to adjucate whether someone gets hit by the cloud. Thanks for the really easy question, Hyp. I think I've really got this one nailed with a simple rule that covers all situations. Now that I've said that, I suppose someone will come up with a tricky situation. Next question? P.S. I have no heartburn with any DM would rules that M's Sword was really meant to work the way I re-wrote it above and thus does not provoke an OA. That's simply a question of a DM deciding on the intent of the rule. I simply happen to think it's easier to have a blanket rule without any exceptions to complicate it. [/QUOTE]
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