Swapping class abilities?

[Pazu]

Hi all--

In order to fit a particular NPC concept, I'm contemplating a core Rogue variant that gives up the sneak attack ability in exchange for the bardic knowledge ability and having all Knowledge skills as class skills.

Does this seem like a fair trade? Is it overpowered? Underpowered? Suggestions would be most welcome.

Thanks,
--Pazu

 

[Plane Sailing]

How about considering what it would like in reverse?

A Bard that gave up all his bardic magic, his perform abilities and good will save in order to gain uncanny dodge, evasion and more skill points.

Basically I don't think the combination you propose would cause any balance problems to the game at all. You are giving up combat power to get someone who is more sage-like.

It seems completely within the spirit of the guidelines given in the PHB and DMG to me.

Cheers

 

[GuardianLurker]

1) You might want to consider just using the "expert" NPC class with the appropriate skill mix. Unless, of course, you really want/need the other rogue abilities (like the Evasion tree, and the rogue special abilities at 10th+).
2)Another option is to just view this as a non-spellcasting bard.

The proposed trade seems like it might be a little underpowered, especially in a combat-oriented game, but it's not by much.

 

[Crothian]

Sounds like a fine idea to me, although I think altering the bard as suggested might be better.

 

[Pazu]

Thanks!

Thanks for the feedback!

Modifying the bard class might be a better way to go, after all--maybe a variant that gives up all spellcasting in exchange for 6 skill points per level (while retaining bardic music and knowledge). Again, I don't know if this would be underpowered, overpowered, or okay. It seems that with the loss of spells, some extra defensive capabilities might be needed.

Just thinking aloud...

-- Pazu

 

[Reln]

Just wanted to through this out there to see if it will fit what you are looking for. athas.org has a non spell casting Bard class. I haven't checked it out yet but it might work for you.