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<blockquote data-quote="Thanael" data-source="post: 5257842" data-attributes="member: 22734"><p>Here's a thread about converting the 2E Blade kit to 3E: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-house-rules/241738-blade-2nd-edition-bard-kit-updated-how-would-you-do.html" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-house-rules/241738-blade-2nd-edition-bard-kit-updated-how-would-you-do.html</a>. If you're allowed homebrew classes check out the 5 lvl Blade prc from that thread. <a href="http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8222" target="_blank">Here's</a> another excellent fanmade blade prc (I mean the 10 level one spelled out in the thread.)</p><p></p><p>The <a href="http://www.coryj.net/CoreRule/corerule.php?page=CBH/DD04951.htm" target="_blank">2E Blade kit</a> has 4 special powers: Trick Throw, Weapon's Display, Offensive/Defensive Spin and Weapon Use, otherwise it's a bard minus the singing and lore powers.</p><p></p><p>I'd convert a straight 2E blade to a Bard x/Swashbuckler3 or 5. Mixing in fighter or <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#fighterVariantThug" target="_blank">thug</a> levels depending on how much spellcasting you want to have. Later possibly dips in assassin, duelist or master thrower. The Blade had no backstab (unless multiclassed) so rogue and scout are out for a strict conversion.</p><p></p><p>Definately look into the following <a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19872054/Alternative_Class_Features_III" target="_blank">alternate class feature</a> for swashbucklers:</p><p></p><p>Shield of Blades (PHB 2, p 63): Lose dodge bonus, gain shield bonus when fighting with two weapons starting at +2 and rising as you gain levels.</p><p></p><p>Possible <a href="http://www.realmshelps.org/cgi-bin/featsform.pl" target="_blank">feats</a>: Alertness, Blindfight, Combat Expertise, Dodge, Quick Draw, Defensive Strike[from CW], Flick of the Wrist [from CW], Silent Spell?, Shadow?, Precise Shot?, Snatch Arrows?, TWF, TWD, ITWF, ....</p><p></p><p>Defensive Strike is a nice approximation of the Defensive Spin power from the blade kit. Offensive Spin is a mixture of demoralize opponent intimidation skill use and the Inspire Awe alternate class feature for bards (Inspire Awe (DrM, p 13): Gain ability to inspire awe instead of courage).</p><p></p><p>There's a Weapon's Display like skill use in Complete Warrior named Perform(Weapon Drill). Also read up on the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/intimidate.htm" target="_blank">demoralize opponent</a> skill use of intimidation. I'd convert / house rule the 2E Weapons Display in the following way: A blade is able to use intimidate:demoralize opponents and bard's:inspire courage with perform(weapon display). You might also want too look into the War Chanter prc from CW, I think it has a class feature that could be used for the blade's weapon display.</p><p></p><p>That leaves the Trick Throw and Handle Weapon powers of the blade kit. The former is similar to the thrown weapon tricks of the Master Thrower prestige class and the snatch arrows feat but i'd probably just drop that part. The latter is modeled nicely by taking feats from the TWF feat chain.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you want to play a more fighter like Dervish that's a whole other thing. The blade bard was a performer/juggler and occasional assassin not a true fighter. Now you asked why one would prefer to play a Swashbuckler over a Fighter: One thing that is always overlooked with the Swashbuckler imho is skills and skillpoints. The swashbuckler gets more of both.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanael, post: 5257842, member: 22734"] Here's a thread about converting the 2E Blade kit to 3E: [url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-house-rules/241738-blade-2nd-edition-bard-kit-updated-how-would-you-do.html[/url]. If you're allowed homebrew classes check out the 5 lvl Blade prc from that thread. [url=http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8222]Here's[/url] another excellent fanmade blade prc (I mean the 10 level one spelled out in the thread.) The [url=http://www.coryj.net/CoreRule/corerule.php?page=CBH/DD04951.htm]2E Blade kit[/url] has 4 special powers: Trick Throw, Weapon's Display, Offensive/Defensive Spin and Weapon Use, otherwise it's a bard minus the singing and lore powers. I'd convert a straight 2E blade to a Bard x/Swashbuckler3 or 5. Mixing in fighter or [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#fighterVariantThug]thug[/url] levels depending on how much spellcasting you want to have. Later possibly dips in assassin, duelist or master thrower. The Blade had no backstab (unless multiclassed) so rogue and scout are out for a strict conversion. Definately look into the following [url=http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19872054/Alternative_Class_Features_III]alternate class feature[/url] for swashbucklers: Shield of Blades (PHB 2, p 63): Lose dodge bonus, gain shield bonus when fighting with two weapons starting at +2 and rising as you gain levels. Possible [url=http://www.realmshelps.org/cgi-bin/featsform.pl]feats[/url]: Alertness, Blindfight, Combat Expertise, Dodge, Quick Draw, Defensive Strike[from CW], Flick of the Wrist [from CW], Silent Spell?, Shadow?, Precise Shot?, Snatch Arrows?, TWF, TWD, ITWF, .... Defensive Strike is a nice approximation of the Defensive Spin power from the blade kit. Offensive Spin is a mixture of demoralize opponent intimidation skill use and the Inspire Awe alternate class feature for bards (Inspire Awe (DrM, p 13): Gain ability to inspire awe instead of courage). There's a Weapon's Display like skill use in Complete Warrior named Perform(Weapon Drill). Also read up on the [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/intimidate.htm]demoralize opponent[/url] skill use of intimidation. I'd convert / house rule the 2E Weapons Display in the following way: A blade is able to use intimidate:demoralize opponents and bard's:inspire courage with perform(weapon display). You might also want too look into the War Chanter prc from CW, I think it has a class feature that could be used for the blade's weapon display. That leaves the Trick Throw and Handle Weapon powers of the blade kit. The former is similar to the thrown weapon tricks of the Master Thrower prestige class and the snatch arrows feat but i'd probably just drop that part. The latter is modeled nicely by taking feats from the TWF feat chain. If you want to play a more fighter like Dervish that's a whole other thing. The blade bard was a performer/juggler and occasional assassin not a true fighter. Now you asked why one would prefer to play a Swashbuckler over a Fighter: One thing that is always overlooked with the Swashbuckler imho is skills and skillpoints. The swashbuckler gets more of both. [/QUOTE]
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