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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Treacherous_B" data-source="post: 3651215" data-attributes="member: 47524">Perhaps it's just me, but it seems like most people here are underestimating the block/deflect abilities' effectiveness at low levels. At level 3 we're talking an opposed roll where the Jedi is getting +6 over the opponent using these numbers: (1/2 character level +1, trained UTF +5, skill focus UTF +5, Cha. bonus +3) vs. another class with (BAB +3, Str./Dex. +3, additional modifiers +2). That 6 point gulf if not insignificant, as it means even with a comparatively low reflex save (around 17) many attacks should be deflected. Also, if we take the above example, that allows the Jedi to use the talent twice per round with a penalty of (at-worse) being forced to make it a roll with but +1 over the opponent.And this is all just comparing block/deflect to other combat. Most Jedi will have access to force powers, the benefits of which should be obvious (force slam is especially good considering most  of the arguments for Jedi being balanced fine stem from the "gang up on them" school of thought), and also other talent trees (elusive target is a good one).Perhaps at higher levels these benefits become less important - it certainly seems that way on paper - but for my money low-level games should be dominated by the party's Jedi. Is it possible I'm just wrong about this and need to play more SWSE? Of course. But until that time comes I can only analyze what I see on the paper, and nothing that's been said in this thread has thus-far changed my mind. I am open to suggestions, though, so keep 'em coming.And note: I am the friend in question in the OP.</blockquote>

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