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Elf Witch said:
But tell me if the Trek characters ever supported rape of an enemy or commiting genocide. Sure section 31 tried but they are considered the bad guys not the heroes and Sisco, Bashir, and O'Brian stopped them.

On BSG, the rapists were not presented in a good light - the heroes of the show were disgusted by the behaviour.

Doesn't Janeway deliberately unleash a genocide weapon on the Borg in the Voyager finale?

-Hyp.
 

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Hypersmurf said:
On BSG, the rapists were not presented in a good light - the heroes of the show were disgusted by the behaviour.

Doesn't Janeway deliberately unleash a genocide weapon on the Borg in the Voyager finale?

-Hyp.

You are right they were not presented in a good light but it was done by members of the colonial fleet sanctioned by the commanding officer. If it was starfleet officers presented going rogue like that it would be bad because the world that Rodenberry envisioned was a world where most humans had evolved and matured as a species. And Starfleet officers were the cream of the crop in the epiaode Bread and Circus a comment is made these are not ordinary men and woman they are starfleet officers they are the best of the best.

Yes Janeway did and this was the subject of much debate on Voyager boards. And later on BSG boards. The Borg are not a natural species they can't exist without stealing humanoid bodies against the will of the humanoid and conscripting the body for their use. It would have been one thing if the borg had found way to exist without the need to force other species into what was basically slave labor.

The cyclons while machines don't need humans to make more cyclons.

As I have said before I grew up on Trek and I like the message that there is hope for the human race that we evolve that we eventually put aside our racism , tribalism. I know a lot of people don't find Trek realistic and maybe it is not but it is a nice dream.
 

I truly think you're worrying WAY too much about this.

By comparing this new Trek to the new BSG, you're getting an off picture of things. Again, the new Trek is a prequel, and the same universe and timeline as all of the other Trek series so they aren't going to completely change everything. BSG was a COMPLETE reimagining of the show.

There is no evidence at all that this Trek movie will change things like that. In fact, as was mentioned before, the fact that Nimoy is playing Spock at least for a short amount of time pushes the fact that this movie WILL be true to the spirit of Trek. That, and I trust JJ Abrams on that end of things.
 

Ankh-Morpork Guard said:
I truly think you're worrying WAY too much about this.

By comparing this new Trek to the new BSG, you're getting an off picture of things. Again, the new Trek is a prequel, and the same universe and timeline as all of the other Trek series so they aren't going to completely change everything. BSG was a COMPLETE reimagining of the show.

There is no evidence at all that this Trek movie will change things like that. In fact, as was mentioned before, the fact that Nimoy is playing Spock at least for a short amount of time pushes the fact that this movie WILL be true to the spirit of Trek. That, and I trust JJ Abrams on that end of things.

Exactly.

The writers and director of this movie have said again and again that it will be in continuity, it's an untold adventure of Kirk and Spock's early missions.

Yet despite that being one of the FIRST, and most repeated things they say, as soon as people heard it was Kirk and Spock they started screaming OMFG NUBSG-style TREK!!!!!!

That isn't what this is. We've got a huge trekkie (one of the writers), a big fan of the original series (Abrams) and a total-non fan (the other writer).

That's a perfect trio to make new TOS adventures of Kirk and Spock imo.
 

Vigilance said:
Exactly.

The writers and director of this movie have said again and again that it will be in continuity, it's an untold adventure of Kirk and Spock's early missions.

Yet despite that being one of the FIRST, and most repeated things they say, as soon as people heard it was Kirk and Spock they started screaming OMFG NUBSG-style TREK!!!!!!

That isn't what this is. We've got a huge trekkie (one of the writers), a big fan of the original series (Abrams) and a total-non fan (the other writer).

That's a perfect trio to make new TOS adventures of Kirk and Spock imo.

Just a little nitpick if you read the transcript from Comiccon Abrams said he was more a Star Wars fan than a Trek fan. But we all can't be perfect. ;)

I also read in that interview that he didn't write the script. That he saw the script and showed it to his wife and she liked it.

I am a little confused one site says one thing another says another.

The only thing that gives me some hope that it won't be bad is that Abrams did a great job with Mission Impossible he made it feel like Mission Impossible something the other two films didn't seem to get right.

I am going to be wary until we actually know more and the film comes out. I would rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed.
 

Elf Witch said:
Just a little nitpick if you read the transcript from Comiccon Abrams said he was more a Star Wars fan than a Trek fan. But we all can't be perfect. ;)

Right, but he has also said, repeatedly, that he was a huge fan of the original series. What is it about everyone who works on Trek having to establish their bonafides? No one asked Christian Bale how big a freaking Batman fan he was, and the movie was fine.

I also read in that interview that he didn't write the script. That he saw the script and showed it to his wife and she liked it.

Right, the script was written by his two close friends, who are also writers and producers on his TV Show lost. He was already attached as a producer at that point, and had a lot of input on the script before it was written.

He just waited to commit himself to direct. But this has been his movie since day one.

JJ Abrams is the REASON for the movie. It was the studio's desire to work with him, and his passion for this movie, that we have to thank for it being made in the first place.

I am going to be wary until we actually know more and the film comes out. I would rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed.

Everyone all along as stressed that it is not a remake. It's a story starring Kirk and Spock set in the TOS era that we haven't seen, in the established continuity, by a creative team with a passion for Trek.

It's also being made by a director and writing team with a enough juice, that for the first time in several decades, serious blockbuster type money is being spent on trek. They've cast a great young Spock from one of the hottest shows on TV, and gotten Nimoy on board.

And you're freaking "Wary"?

We should be freaking dancing. A real director, and a real writing team got a big-budget trek movie out of a studio that wanted to let the property lie fallow for a decade.

If that doesn't make a trek fan happy, or at least something better than freaking "wary", we obviously don't freaking deserve a movie.


Nimoy has read the script and has great things to say about. He also is the one man who has walked away from money for Trek in the past, because he didn't like the script (he turned down a part in Generations, for example).

Sure it could be dumb. But it's hard to see what else we could ASK from the movie at this stage.

Anyway, call me an optimist. I'd rather look at the very hopeful signs we've seen so far and be hopeful, rather than trying to be as pessimistic as possible so I don't need to endure the stinging pain of disappointment later on.
 



Brown Jenkin said:
That is not reassuring to me. I have no respect anymore for the writers of Lost.

Actually I mis-spoke- they were producers and writers for Abrams' show Alias, not Lost, as well as Transformers ($541 million) and Mission Impossible III ($397 million).

In other words, a couple of guys with chops for writing hit TV shows as well as hit TV movies.

I say again, what exactly do people want for staff on this movie.

Maybe they can resurrect Shakespeare? Ooops, sorry, he was never a Trek fan, he's out.

Sheesh.
 

Brown Jenkin said:
That is not reassuring to me. I have no respect anymore for the writers of Lost.
Why? :\

I'm not expecting them to develop a five-year series. I just want one good story for that one Trek film.
 

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