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Tacky reviews "Wayfarer Redemption"

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Not sure if anyone's interested, but, hey, I read it, I wanna dish about it.

So, in my quest to improve my knowledge of popular fantasy, I just finished "Wayfarer Redemption", the first Sara Douglass book. Australia's most popular fantasy writer, big world, big story, big series.

Hm.

I dunno. Maybe I'm gettin' snobbish, or maybe it's being a writer myself, so that I'm always looking for the strings. I sense that this is a book that I might have really enjoyed ten or fifteen years ago, and I still thought parts of it were wonderful, but... I'm not feeling compelled to read any further.

The Good:

- Nice descriptions. I could tell that Douglass had a world envisioned.

- Fast-moving story. None of this hundred pages of buildup garbage. We got rolling right into the big quests and action.

The Iffy:

- The poetry wasn't to my personal taste, although that's purely subjective. It felt a bit slipshod for something published in a major book -- but I'd imagine that there are lots of "it was from another language" defenses.

- The names of some of the races were too directly Greek for me. The winged race was the Icari, and the watchers of the dead were the Charonites. While I don't mind reading a fantasy novel where, in a fictional world, one guy calls another a sodomite (which should bug me, since the term comes from an actual existing city in the real world), having the Charon and Icarus names rubbed in my face just kinda grated. Again, that's something that might not bother others.

The Bad:

- Characters are fairly simplistic. The heroes are, by and large, utterly without modern-day flaws (that is, they have flaws like "was born out of wedlock" and "is a woman" and "is not of race xxxxx"). Our heroes are raised faithfully and fully in a religion that casts a specific race as demons, and yet, when they members of such a race, they act kindly and respectfully... because, y'know, racism is wrong. If there were some struggle, some real sense of the Huck-Finn-like conflict between what the characters have been raised to believe and what they see with their own eyes, that'd be one thing, but that's handwaved at best. Really, these are characters who have no flaws. On the other hand, most of our antagonists are pretty much evil and depraved and hot-tempered and, you know, have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. It's no wonder that all the common folk rally around the heroes. The wonder is that none of the cruel people in power got arsenic slipped into their soup before now.

- The Hand of Plot. If this were a roleplaying game I were playing in, I'd be accusing the GM of railroading me. There's a prophecy -- and this is hugely hypocritical of me, because all three of my most recent novels have had prophecies in them, but I try to aim for "prophecy that will be vague and open to interpretation, and will serve as a guide rather than an authorial 'here's what you have to do' list." Sara Douglass is firmly in the other camp. She has Sentinels, agents of the prophecy, show up and lead the protagonists around by the nose while constantly declaring their inability to act directly themselves. "Here, stand over here. Okay, now, draw your sword. Now hit that guy. Okay, and now you're going to have to do this." I'm sure that in some books, such an approach could have caused some good angst, with a hero fighting against the ties of prophecy, trying to fight his own battles or something. Here, the heroes just kind of blithely wander wherever the prophecy tells them to wander, and for no real reason other than that the prophecy is telling them to do so. It smacks of authorial laziness, and about the eighth time that the prophecy folks tell one of the heroes "And now, here's what you have to do, just trust us," you're going to get annoyed with it. Beyond being lazy, it saps the protagonists of any real power themselves. Sure, the author probably wants us to think that the prophecy was written because the heroes were so great that they would do all this stuff, but the way it comes out, the heroes could have been anybody propped up by the Sentinels and walked through the motions of prophecy fulfillment.

All in all, I'm not actually as negative about this book as it sounds. Some of the descriptions were lovely, and I got a good sense of worldbuilding and epic emotional struggles. There were some funny, cute moments, and a few descriptions of magic that raised goosebumps. If I do decide to read the later books, though, I'll be gritting my teeth against what Douglass did to her world with her prophecy-centric plotting.
 

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WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS GAPING HUGE SPOILERS FOR THE WAYFARER REDEMPTION TRILOGY AND THE AXIS TRILOGY (for the Aussies and UKer's) and Spoilers for the Entire Wayfarer Redemption (um thing of Six Books) for you weird :p Americans.!


The Wayfarer Redemption isn't the first book, I'm pretty sure the Axis Trilogy (Battle Axe,Enchanter,Starman) came first which was followed by the Wayfarer Redemption (Sinner,Pilgrim,Crusader). The original trilogy, especially Battleaxe, focuses more heavily on the Racism, by the time of the Wayfarer Redemption its been 20 years since (IIRC) so the racism has died down somewhat. Spoiler for those who haven't read Books 3+:
Yeah the Greek Names got me a bit too but I suspect Noah was just a thinly veiled Earth Man and he did name the races (also if IIRC) so he might have done so deliberately just like he picked the name Noah
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Edit- After some looking on the Web I've found that the trilogies are compiled into 1 six book Wayfarer series. You didn't see any Racism in Battleaxe ? There was an entire town, who was happy to stone people to death for associating with the People of the Horn. And by the third book in the Trilogy it gets a lot worse.

Edit 2- More spoilers for books between 3 and 6 which will indirectly spoil 2.
Noah doesn't show up to the 5th book (Pilgrim) so that probably made no sense but the Earth influence should start to make a bit more sense by the 3rd book. But I'll leave off here before the spoilers get to think.

The Poety -> Yeah agreed, but the same can be said of Tolkien's. I think it's just not the main focus so not as much work goes into it, the bits of real world poetry at the start of each book are a bit sillier at times I admit, their connection is usualy fairly tennuous (dunno if these are still in the American books).

The Characters -> Yeah , that at least is true, I thought that when I first read these books when I was between 13 and 16ish. But the Author describes it as heroic fantasy and one of the tropes is that Evil People wear Black and Goodguys wear White.

The Hand of Plot -> The Prophecy says what has to be achieved or REALLY BAD THINGS (TM) will happen, this isn't completely unusual, and quiet a few of those guides aren't as clear as they seem, they have much more twisted meanings revealed in the later books (and in the actual wayfarer redemption books:
It's shown that that Prophecy was written so clearly because its just a gateway for another one.
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If you think what she did to her world was bad with the Prophecy wait until you see the last 3 books she
goes Weis and Hickman (ie: Destroy the area of the world the books take place in beyond any hope of repair beyond major authorial FIAT requiring at least 3 more books.)
on her world.

Edit 3 -> Realised some of my non-edit stuff was big spoilers due to the different american publication. Tagged them appropriately.
 
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Kalanyr said:
WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS GAPING HUGE SPOILERS FOR THE WAYFARER REDEMPTION TRILOGY AND THE AXIS TRILOGY (for the Aussies and UKer's) and Spoilers for the Entire Wayfarer Redemption (um thing of Six Books) for you weird :p Americans.!

Right. My book is called "Wayfarer Redemption", but from what I can tell by plot synopsis comparison, it's "Battle Axe" by your titles.

Edit- After some looking on the Web I've found that the trilogies are compiled into 1 six book Wayfarer series. You didn't see any Racism in Battleaxe ?

My issue wasn't that racism existed. My issue was that racism existed, but all the protagonists utterly defy their cultural upbringings with little or no difficulty. At least in the first book, which is all I've read, Axis and Faraday and Azhure have no difficulty whatsoever becoming best buddies with the Forbidden. With Azhure, there's at least a bonding period, but Axis and Faraday are essentially making friends with people their extremely strong religion has told them are awful horrific monsters, and they've got all of about half a page of concern before they do.

The Poety -> Yeah agreed, but the same can be said of Tolkien's. I think it's just not the main focus so not as much work goes into it, the bits of real world poetry at the start of each book are a bit sillier at times I admit, their connection is usualy fairly tennuous (dunno if these are still in the American books).

Yeah, most likely. I was just bummed because, as a rhyme/meter nazi, I like poetry to be, well, poetic. Rhythmic. I like work put into it. Or maybe it was skewed on purpose. I dunno. As I said, it didn't do it for me, but I'm not in a place where I can lay that down as the law.

The Characters -> Yeah , that at least is true, I thought that when I first read these books when I was between 13 and 16ish. But the Author describes it as heroic fantasy and one of the tropes is that Evil People wear Black and Goodguys wear White.

I think that if I read it was a teenager, I wouldn't have much issue. These days, I'm more into shades of gray, or at least bad guys with some good qualities to make them more interesting. A bad guy who is capable of doing good is more interesting, and more unpredictable. But that's not every book's structure, I admit.

The Hand of Plot -> The Prophecy says what has to be achieved or REALLY BAD THINGS (TM) will happen, this isn't completely unusual, and quiet a few of those guides aren't as clear as they seem, they have much more twisted meanings revealed in the later books (and in the actual wayfarer redemption books:

Edited some stuff out -- if I do read more, I don't wanna know what happens. :)

I guess my issue wasn't with the prophecy existing, or with the prophecy being as heavy-handed as it was, as with the simplistic approach to it. At least in the first book (which, as I say, is all I've read), it was just painful to watch the Sentinels lead people around, and to watch people let themselves be lead around in a way that actual real people would never do. I didn't get a sense of character justification behind the actions. It was far too easy for people to break away from everything they'd believed for their entire lives and go through ridiculous (and, to them, sacreligious) rituals just because someone said, "Hey, I know this is hard, but the prophecy said it's really important." Man, if I knew that line worked that well, I'd have used it on girls in high school.

:)

As I said, not as negative as I may have sounded. I liked much of it, and I actually enjoyed a lot of the magic -- and I'm usually a hard sell where song-magic is concerned. Song-magic always strikes me as too easy, given that my wife is a singer. And some of her magical sections really did raise goosebumps. She's got a good sense of wonder. I just really got irked in a few specific areas.
 

Yeah understandable, I actually agree with you on most of the gripes you've made.

I didn't realise it was the main characters you were referering to, with respect to the racism thing, yeah Axis especially seems to take to it very easily given his upbringing ( but that does get SOME explanation later, not enough (and it probably makes even less sense., Faraday is less unexpected than Axis, she's quiet naive and noble, very innocent, she seems less touched by the upbringing than most, but even then it does seem very sudden, you'd expect a bit more. Azhure was tortured by the people of the village she lived in so I guess it makes sense for her too, I mean if someone tortured me like that I'd be willing to go along with pretty much anything they hated. Still all that said now that I look back it does seem very sudden, I guess a lot of it was clouded over by the magic of time passing.

I totally agree with the Sentinels bit. That was kinda silly.

And just in case it seems like I am, I'm not on a personal crusade in defence of the books , they definitely had their flaws, I've just never seen anyone else who's read them and felt like talking about them, and I remember coming off with an overall decent impression, but as they say different strokes for different folks.
 

Thanks for the review. I have seen the series on the bookshelf at the local bookstore and was wondering if it was worth my time picking it up.

I still haven't made up my mind, but your comments are appreciated.
 

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