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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Emirikol" data-source="post: 3065503" data-attributes="member: 10638">Actually, this whole discussion began with a player at my table who DM's Living Greyhawk.  For the Labor day convention, he organized all the slot zero's and ran probably 36 hours of LG during the con.  He noted at a game that a regular player, one who NEVER judges and never thanks his DM's, went off on him over some pointless rules (typical) and none of the other players at the table backed him up in the least.  It sounded like burnout on both the part of the players and the DM, but WHEN A PLAYER WHO NEVER DOES ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY BUT HIMSELF TREATS A DM LIKE GARBAGE, IT MAKES A DM NOT WANT TO GAME AGAIN EVER. (emphasis added for color)  I sympathized because I was heavily involved with LG and RPGA gaming in the past and have had players like that in both a few home groups and many RPGA games.  I've since all but given up on RPGA gaming because it seems like there's one unpleasant person at every table.  What I've noticed over the years however is that it's NEVER a player who also DM's and NEVER the player who goes out of his way to thank or help a DM (no matter how bad the session was).  Perhaps it's the selfishness of a player that does it.Here's the thing that I've noticed with burnout.  Once you've been treated that way by a player (or players), you do not ever get back your desire to DM.  They could buy you food, books or strippers for that matter but a DM gives his heart and spends a lot of time in prep all for the players.  It's easier when you have players that are naturally considerate, but some players probably need a talking to about "what it is that they bring to the game."jh...</blockquote>

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