tanari are just one "type" of demon. What are all the rest in the infinite Abyss?
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Ghostknight
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In both cases there would be animals/creatures with the fiendish template scurrying around being generally nsaty to each other and all they come across (so take any monster, apply the fiendish template, and have at it!)
Also, in the case of devils, I doubt there are too many different types- to me each needs a place to fill in the hierarchy (but then I have an entire banished branch of the hierarchy which I use for unknown devils). Create any monster, give it the Baatezu subtype and assign it a role in the nine hells.
Demons are easier- just create anything you like. Really, they are evil chaos personified so myriad variations on any theme you like are possible. Mix and match the standard types, give new abilities to current demons and let your players sweat in trying to work out what it will come up with next. Demons are really free reign to let your evil side out!
Also, in the case of devils, I doubt there are too many different types- to me each needs a place to fill in the hierarchy (but then I have an entire banished branch of the hierarchy which I use for unknown devils). Create any monster, give it the Baatezu subtype and assign it a role in the nine hells.
Demons are easier- just create anything you like. Really, they are evil chaos personified so myriad variations on any theme you like are possible. Mix and match the standard types, give new abilities to current demons and let your players sweat in trying to work out what it will come up with next. Demons are really free reign to let your evil side out!
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Is every demon published by WotC a ta'nari by default?
Likewise, is every devil published by WotC a baatezu by default?
In one Planescape product there's mention of "baatorians". Some ancient devil race or something. Not sure on the details.
Are ta'nari and baatezu what you'd call "races"?
Likewise, is every devil published by WotC a baatezu by default?
In one Planescape product there's mention of "baatorians". Some ancient devil race or something. Not sure on the details.
Are ta'nari and baatezu what you'd call "races"?
demiurge1138
Inventor of Super-Toast
Presumably, bebiliths are their own "type" of demon, as they're not tanar'ri and they have their own unique resistances and immunities. The same for any "typeless" demon- the abyssal stalker, maw and eviscerator jump to mind
As far as complete subtypes go, the book Armies of the Abyss (and, likewise, the Book of Fiends) by Green Ronin Press used "qlippoth", which are the runoff of creation and the original lords of the Abyss.
Demiurge out.
As far as complete subtypes go, the book Armies of the Abyss (and, likewise, the Book of Fiends) by Green Ronin Press used "qlippoth", which are the runoff of creation and the original lords of the Abyss.
Demiurge out.
Inconsequenti-AL
Breaks Games
Yugoloths aren't directly related to either Tanari and Baatezu, I think?
I don't see why you couldn't add more types. Some sort of explanation for why their not commonly known might be needed. Perhaps they were trapped in a layer (or 1,000,000) that got cut off from the rest. Possibly from some pseudonatural parallel abyss? Could well be those Baatorians you mention?
I reckon that a whole new type could make for a fun campaign driver. Some force powerful enough to upset the balance in the Blood War... Has potential?
I don't see why you couldn't add more types. Some sort of explanation for why their not commonly known might be needed. Perhaps they were trapped in a layer (or 1,000,000) that got cut off from the rest. Possibly from some pseudonatural parallel abyss? Could well be those Baatorians you mention?
I reckon that a whole new type could make for a fun campaign driver. Some force powerful enough to upset the balance in the Blood War... Has potential?
Lord Pendragon
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Unless I am mistaken, the term "Baatorian" would merely reference an inhabitant of the plane of Baator, also known as the Nine Hells. i.e. it's a generic term for a devil.
I believe that Yugoloths are neither demon nor devil. They're the "Neutral" nasty, whereas the demons are the Chaotic nasty, and devils are the Lawful nasty.
I believe that Yugoloths are neither demon nor devil. They're the "Neutral" nasty, whereas the demons are the Chaotic nasty, and devils are the Lawful nasty.
Dead is pretty much correct. Planescape says that the true natives of the 9 Hells are the baatorians, and the baatezu came later and took it from the baatorians. The evidence is that lemures are not naturally formed from the fabric of the Nine Hells, but larvae are. The larvae have to be gathered and transformed into lemures by the baatezu, or else they (the theory says) will develop into the ancient baatorians.
The comparison is the kyton or bezekira to the baatezu. They are all residents of the Nine Hells, but the baatezu are a specific race of Nine Hells natives. Baatorians are a separate race, and they probably wouldn't get along well with the Baatezu.
And as far as I know there are no established demon races besides the tanar'ri.
The comparison is the kyton or bezekira to the baatezu. They are all residents of the Nine Hells, but the baatezu are a specific race of Nine Hells natives. Baatorians are a separate race, and they probably wouldn't get along well with the Baatezu.
And as far as I know there are no established demon races besides the tanar'ri.
mhacdebhandia
Explorer
Non-tanar'ri demons: Shadow demon, bebilith, quasit, retriever (sorta), blood fiend (sorta), skulvyn, wastrilith, abyssal maw, abyssal skulker, abyssal ravager, zovvut.
(The retrievers and blood fiends are constructs and undead, respectively, but they're listed under "demon" nevertheless.)
Non-baatezu devils: Kyton, hellcat, imp.
Kinda makes sense that the baatezu would allow a lot fewer creatures other than themselves to exist in the planes they control, when you think about it.
(The retrievers and blood fiends are constructs and undead, respectively, but they're listed under "demon" nevertheless.)
Non-baatezu devils: Kyton, hellcat, imp.
Kinda makes sense that the baatezu would allow a lot fewer creatures other than themselves to exist in the planes they control, when you think about it.
Calico_Jack73
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I'm of the opinion that the statement that "they are just one type of demon" is meant to suggest that the DM may create any kind of demon he/she wants and claim it comes from the Abyss. I'm of the mind that the Tanari are the most "lawful" of demons within the Abyss. They are mentioned because they are the only ones that have any kind of organization even as loose as theirs.
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