D&D General Tasslehoff is A LOT less annoying than Flint

el-remmen

Moderator Emeritus
In fact, I don't find him annoying at all.

I have been (slowly) re-reading the original Dragonlance Chronicles series ever since I found them in a used bookshop for less than two bucks each. I had not read them since the late 80s.

Anyway, I am nearly done with book two, but so far the thing that has struck me most (aside from the mediocre writing itself) is that for all the talk of kender being annoying and Tasslehoff Burrfoot being the epitome of the worse of that halfling offshoot in terms of stealing and doing foolish things (which to be honest, is also how I remembered him), I am finding him to be an absolute delight and his attitude and curiosity is a great antidote to the dour characters like Tanis and Sturm. On the other hand, Flint is the absolute worst and almost any scene where he is the focus makes me roll my eyes and start scanning ahead - whether it is his hyperbolic reaction to going on boats or anything Tass says - or his very foolish behavior and refusal to admit reality ("I wasn't seasick, I contracted a disease!" or "I am going to delay getting in canoe despite the fact that we're being pursued") or his awful treatment of his gully dwarf kin - to be much less entertaining or as rounded a character.

Maybe I am seeing why I never had a problem with his sudden heart attack and death in book 3 when I read it back in the day and kept hoping it'd happen in book two.

He's like everything wrong with the Peter Jackson film adaptation of Gimli x 1000.

That's it. That's all I have to say for now.
 

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James Gasik

Legend
Supporter
Flint is a grumpy Dwarf. A stereotype, for the most part, though his woodcarving gives him a touch of Gimli's personality.

He lacks the Charisma of Bruenor, the ingenuity of Ivan Bouldershoulder, or the insanity of Pikel. In many respects he's just...the Dwarf.

The Heroes of the Lance were meant to be immediately identifiable. Surly, power hungry wizard? Check. Big dumb handsome Fighter, check. Dwarfy Dwarf who Dwarfs? Check. Obnoxious Halfling? Basically Check. Stern honorable Fighter? Check. Hot selfless Healer? Check.

Riverwind, sadly, doesn't get to do much early on in. Tanis, however, is the standout, since his backstory and his mixed feelings about his heritage make him a strong character.

But somehow Raistlin became one of the most popular characters, despite not being very likable in most respects. I guess that makes him the Rorschach of the setting.
 

But somehow Raistlin became one of the most popular characters, despite not being very likable in most respects. I guess that makes him the Rorschach of the setting.
Troubled villains almost always attract fans. Even villains who aren't that troubled can do it, if they're pretty and give off the right vibes. Consider Sephiroth from FFVII, or Zenos from FFXIV.
 





James Gasik

Legend
Supporter
Maybe I need to reread the original trilogy. I don't recall Flint being particularly noteworthy, but it's been awhile. Now that I'm older (and supposedly wiser...yeah I doubt that) maybe my opinion will have changed.
 

Maybe I need to reread the original trilogy. I don't recall Flint being particularly noteworthy, but it's been awhile. Now that I'm older (and supposedly wiser...yeah I doubt that) maybe my opinion will have changed.

My recollection was that he and Tasslehof were essentially an homage to Gimli and Legolas
 

el-remmen

Moderator Emeritus
Yeah, Tasslehoff isn’t the problem; he’s a fine narrative character. It’s basing a D&D character on him that creates problems. That’s a character archetype which works differently in different mediums.

There is nothing Tass has done as far as I have read that would be a problem at my table, nor does it seem so disruptive that it'd be a problem at most tables. It is actually quite restrained.
 

There is nothing Tass has done as far as I have read that would be a problem at my table, nor does it seem so disruptive that it'd be a problem at most tables. It is actually quite restrained.
Well, that's sort of the issue, isn't it?

The PC option was written in such a way that it did not really encourage restraint, and in fact did rather the opposite, saying pretty much straight up that anyone who thought ill of kender was either mistaken or outright evil. That's the issue. When restrained and contrasted and such, it can be just fine, good even. When let loose with a moral imperative to cause chaos and a literal in the books "but it's what my character would do" excuse, that goes out the window.
 

James Gasik

Legend
Supporter
there's a noodle incident referred to in Dragons of Autumn Twilight, as I recall, where he glued someone's sword into it's sheath, if that counts!
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
Tasslehoff never bothered me until he started appearing every time Weis and Hickman returned to Krynn. It was one thing when he tagged along during Caramon and Raistlin's time-traveling shenanigans. It was another when he reappeared after his own death during the War of Souls. :confused:
 

Oofta

Legend
It's been a long time since I read the books but the main problem was how people played Kender. Randomly steal stuff from other party members? Can't help it, I'm a kender! Do something stupid that endangers the entire party? Kender! Do stuff no sane adventurer would do in an inexpert attempt at being comic relief? Kender!

All while expecting the rest of the group to enthusiastic about your PC, and the DM not killing your PC when he does something idiotic. Because Kender!
 

dave2008

Legend
I always liked Tas myself, but I only ready the original trilogy, part of the twins trilogy (never liked Ras myself) and a few other books that he wasn't in. Maybe he gets worse in other books?
 

dave2008

Legend
It's been a long time since I read the books but the main problem was how people played Kender. Randomly steal stuff from other party members? Can't help it, I'm a kender! Do something stupid that endangers the entire party? Kender! Do stuff no sane adventurer would do in an inexpert attempt at being comic relief? Kender!

All while expecting the rest of the group to enthusiastic about your PC, and the DM not killing your PC when he does something idiotic. Because Kender!
Well the OP is about Tas, not kender, nor the game.
 

Gadget

Adventurer
My recollection was that he and Tasslehof were essentially an homage to Gimli and Legolas
Hmmmm...you must have read different books than I did. Maybe (and I mean a big maybe), that could kind of apply to the movie versions of those characters, but that came out almost twenty years later.

I always felt that Flint was another attempt at comic relief, along a different vector than Tas. In addition to being the (overdone) straight man for Tas, he always reminded me of BA Baraccus from the A-team, a popular show at the time. He had had a similar issue as Flint, but with flying instead of boats. It was a running gag on the show that they had to sedate/knock him out every episode when they needed to fly. Zany attempts at comedy with irascible character.
 

Hmmmm...you must have read different books than I did. Maybe (and I mean a big maybe), that could kind of apply to the movie versions of those characters, but that came out almost twenty years later.

I always felt that Flint was another attempt at comic relief, along a different vector than Tas. In addition to being the (overdone) straight man for Tas, he always reminded me of BA Baraccus from the A-team, a popular show at the time. He had had a similar issue as Flint, but with flying instead of boats. It was a running gag on the show that they had to sedate/knock him out every episode when they needed to fly. Zany attempts at comedy with irascible character.

Definitely read the same books (I actually am not a big fan of the Lord of the Rings movies: I just find them not entertaining for some reason). But it has been a loooong time since I have read either so maybe I am misremembering. I seem to recall Legolas and Gimli being foils and kind of an odd pairing. I don't think it was as comedic and I can certainly see the A Team thing (watched that show as a kid). But the last time I read the first two Dragonlance trilogies was in like '92, and the last time I read the Lord of the Rings was about 2001 or so. So it is entirely possible I am not recalling correctly or even mixing up memories from the film (I have never been able to get through any of those movies without falling asleep at the end: not sayin they are bad films or bad adaptations, they just were movies I didn't feel like watching after seeing them and even the first time I watched them I tended to bored by the end)
 

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