Telling Blow and Improved Skirmish

[Herzog]

Telling Blow (PH2) lets you add your skirmish damage on a critical hit.
Improved Skirmish (CS) lets you do 2d6 extra damage when you move at least 20 feet.

Is this extra damage included in the damage you do with telling blow or not?

Appropriate Rule or FAQ references appreciated.

 

[parinho7]

if you move 20 ft. then yes

 

[Herzog]

Very funny.*

Let me retry:

Skirmish lets you do xd6 skirmish damage when you have moved at least 10 feet.
Improved Skirmish (CS) increases your skirmish damage with 2d6, with the additional requirement that you have to move at least 20 feet.
Telling Blow (PH2) lets you add your skirmish damage on a critical hit.

is this skirmish damage:
a) the skirmish damage you would normally do when you move at least 10 feet
b) the skirmish damage you would normally do when you move at least 20 feet
c) anything with the qualifier 'skirmish damage' (which would in my case be equivalent to b)


Edit:* It suddenly occurred to me it might not have been intended as funny. If so, I apologize. The answer you gave was rather unexpected. (as in: both really obvious and not what I was looking for)

 

[parinho7]

no i wasn't try to be funny, sorry if i wasn't specific or if it sounded sarcastic, it wasn't.

i don't think there is a rule anywhere but the logical thing here in my opinion is that with telling blow you add to your critical your skirmish damage. so if you move 10 feet your skirmish damage is (let's say) +1d6 so if you score a critical you add +1d6 BUT if you move 20 feet your skirmish damage is +3d6 so on a critical you do +3d6 damage from skirmish

Telling Blow (PH2) lets you add your skirmish damage on a critical hit.

and your skirmish damage depends on your movement.

 

[Herzog]

If I'm reading your response correct, you are saying that:

1) skirmish damage depends on your movement
2) Telling blow lets you add your skirmish damage to critical hits
resulting in
3) when you score a critical hit and haven´t moved, you do NOT get to add any skirmish damage.

If this reading of the Telling Blow feat was correct, however, it would make the Feat completely useless.

My reading of the Telling Blow Feat is that if you haven´t moved, and scored a critical hit, you get to add your skirmish damage. If you don´t have improved skirmish, this is the skirmish damage you would normally add to your damage when moving at least 10 feet.

What I would like to know is whether you can also apply the additional damage obtained through Improved Skirmish.

 

[parinho7]

oh, i misunderstood yes you are right. in this case i don't know what to say, i suppose you deal only your normal skirmish damage, but it'll be better if you get more opinions.

 

[Theo R Cwithin]

There's nothing in the text that limits it to only skirmish/sneak attack attacks. So I read it that the extra damage is dealt on any crit, not just crits associated with those special abilities.

 

[Herzog]

And what about the skirmish damage from Improved Skirmish?

Would you say that applies to the critical as well, or not?

 

[Dandu]

Yes.

 

[coyote6]

Yeah, I'd say it does.