Tempted to Run Blue Rose backwards

[Crothian]

So, before the later novels the Unicorn seems much like the deer? Well, since this is the first book on Blue Rose who is to say what will be revealed abotu the Deer in later supplements.

 

[takyris]

Wait, hang on, I'm confused. I'm supposed to believe that because you don't like romantic fantasy novels, you therefore don't like a roleplaying game based on romantic fantasy novels? Slow down there, Mister Science!

If people felt compelled to snarkily pee in the pool of any particular product for which they were quite obviously not the target audience, we'd have... well, I suppose we'd have the Internet.

 

[Nisarg]

So, before the later novels the Unicorn seems much like the deer? Well, since this is the first book on Blue Rose who is to say what will be revealed abotu the Deer in later supplements.

The Unicorn in amber never looks much like the deer, it serves in the early novels as an omen-figure, something that is of significance when it appears. The only time it ever chooses a monarch is at the end of the first series.

In any case, if GR wants the Blue Rose setting to be true to its "Romantic Fantasy" roots, they aren't going to turn around and make the MAGIC DEER morally ambiguous or self-interested. It wouldn't fit the genre.

Nisarg

 

[Nisarg]

If people felt compelled to snarkily pee in the pool of any particular product for which they were quite obviously not the target audience, we'd have... well, I suppose we'd have the Internet.

I don't see how:
-hailing the creators of Blue Rose
-Praising the system
-displaying an interest to run it, albeit in a non-romanticized setting
-displaying an interest in running the Aldis setting as a more realistic collectivist dystopia

equals "peeing in Blue Rose's pool".

The latter item might be peeing in the pool of anyone who actually advocates the agenda behind the straight-run version of the Aldis setting, but that's a totally different thing from pissing in the pool of Green Ronin or their product.

Nisarg

 

[takyris]

Hey, I don't have a problem with any of the stuff you just bullet-pointed either! If your tone in your earlier posts had been anything like that, we'd have nothing to disagree about. But I'm sure that my reading of your tone is just going to serve as more evidence that I'm trying to advance my own personal agenda, huh? Because your tone has been polite and civil the whole time, right?

If, after I leave this soon-to-be-locked thread and you make your obligatory dismissive reply, you take nothing else away from this conversation, take away this: I was on the fence, and then I read your posts, and your tone convinced me to disagree with you.

 

[Rikandur Azebol]

Now I understand.

Nisarg couldn't accept MAGIC DEER. Maybe if it would be ... PENGUIN, he wouldn't flare that much against it ?
Besides, as I didn't read carefully it all ... Aldis isn't theocracy, people aren't worshipping MAGIC DEER. Only influence MAGIC DEER have on Aldis is choice of monarch. Or marking attackers with hoofprint. Is this thaaat opressive ?! Nisarg, could You clarify why You dislike MAGIC DEER ? I think it is sweet, fluffy and funny.
I would use BR as introduction to RPG for children, every boy wanted to be a knight, neh ? So ... P L E A S E could You clarify what is so flaring You up ? Insimple words, my english isn't that good.

Joshua Dyal, I might misunderstand things ... I'm not MAGIC DEER to know everything better like Nisarg claims.

Yes Nisarg, I'm making fun of You because You angered me with Your flaming. I'm cynical and eeevil man, but asked my questions to You seriously.

Josh ... And how would You feel if main hero wouldn't be pathetic from the beggining ? We feel more often sympathy to bright eyed fools with good intentions than evil old wizards, don't You agree ?

Hah, DM with who I played my one shot campaign in Aldis almost get hertstroke when he heard background of my Mysterious Knight. His 11 year old sister was playing along with us.

Fortunately, everything go smooth ... I had a lot of fun, he gat gray hair from overcariness. And his sister love MAGIC DEER ! My marquis, named Cambion ... would love MAGIC DEER too, in pepper sauce with mushrooms. Alvays liked new meals.

 

[Terath Ninir]

Wait, hang on, I'm confused. I'm supposed to believe that because you don't like romantic fantasy novels, you therefore don't like a roleplaying game based on romantic fantasy novels? Slow down there, Mister Science!

I hate the Wheel of Time. I love the RPG. They aren't related questions.

If people felt compelled to snarkily pee in the pool of any particular product for which they were quite obviously not the target audience, we'd have... well, I suppose we'd have the Internet.

I have, over the course of the last hour, read every word in this thread. And, having done that, I can say with some certainty that the people who think Aldis is a dystopia disguised as a utopia are the *reasonable* participants. Or at least they were before the defenders of the setting came in and started attacking them.

If I worked for Green Ronin (which I don't, though I certainly would love to if they need designers! ), and I looked at the first page, maybe page and a half of this thread, I'd be thrilled. People who *hate* the setting and the books it's based on want to buy this GR book so they can run a campaign that turns it on its head! How cool! Not only are they getting their target market, BUT ALSO they're gettin' the playah hatahs to join in, too! How often does that happen with a product? Not bloody often!

No, I'd have to say the only uncivility in this thread originates from the defenders of the setting as it is. Except Wayne Ligon, who is more trying to show how it is cool as it is.

What I see here is a group of people saying the game is really cool, but they're going to run it the opposite way that the setting is set up in the book. And, having read their comments, *I* now feel like buying the setting, and I had already dismissed it. Cool new mechanics weren't enough for me to want to buy it. But the thought of being part of a goth Shadow group taking down the smug, intolerant defenders of Light sounds really cool.

No, this is far from peeing on a product. This is people talking about buying and running a setting for different reasons than you would have. This is people talking about enjoying themselves in the way they choose, not as you would choose for them. In short, this is about a group of people that you can't be TOLERANT of. The parallels to the setting itself just amuse the hell out of me.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

People who can't seem to understand why so many people would be fairly disgusted with the "utopia" aldis represents.

That's not true, and you know it.

There's a difference between wanting a magic animal to rule the world and not getting why certain people are foaming at the mouth at the prospect.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Spin it any way you like, according to the standard of the game there is no way to play a character who is ethically opposed to the "values" Aldis represents without that person being either stupid, deeply ignorant, or just plain evil.

Holy crap, you mean just like pretty much every other setting out there?

Heck, TSR and WotC have an "objectively evil" meritocracy in the Forgotten Realms for decades now, and I don't see people picketing their offices, waving "Atlas Shrugged" and screaming about the unfair characterization of the Red Wizards.

In fact, if I recall correctly light and shadow are divided specifically by the distinction that light values the collective will above individual freedom. Doing what's "good for society" over being a free human being, expressing individual genius, or self-advancement.

How dare Green Ronin champion Lawful Good under another name. That's totally out of step with 30 years of roleplaying. These radicals should be stopped. Of course, that assumes that readers can't seperate the designers' game setting cosmology from their real world beliefs ... oh, wait ...

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

In short, this is about a group of people that you can't be TOLERANT of. The parallels to the setting itself just amuse the hell out of me.

You seem to have missed that it wasn't the defenders of the setting who said that the people on the other side of the fence are mentally ill. Or is that a tolerant thing to say, and I've just missed a memo?