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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 8247514" data-attributes="member: 6698278">First.&nbsp; I think this essay is refreshingly honest.When I play chess and I am deep in thought about the game and analyzing possible move combinations, I may be so focused that I am oblivious to the world around me.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am immersed IN THE GAME.&nbsp;&nbsp; I would never though even for a second equate this sort of immersion to what I am talking about in a roleplaying game.&nbsp;&nbsp; I never for example think I am the king directing his troops when I play chess.&nbsp;&nbsp; They are just pieces that I am moving around.&nbsp;&nbsp; So I do believe when a lot of us argue about immersion, we are confusing these two concepts.For me, roleplaying immersion is being my character.&nbsp; Making decisions as my character.&nbsp; Living the life of a character.&nbsp;&nbsp; That is unique to roleplaying games and it's why I'm willing to commit to many many hours of time in such pursuits.I also think you are right in declaring that the only pleasure you can get from a game is based on my definition of immersion.&nbsp; I really enjoy the game of chess.&nbsp; I am getting pleasure from such a game without ever getting the immersion I seek from a roleplaying game.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now, obviously, I am not saying Blades in the Dark is equivalent to chess.&nbsp; I am not.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm just trying to differentiate where we might be dividing over immersion.&nbsp;&nbsp; Obviously creativity is fun and doing creative things is fun.&nbsp; Blades in the Dark is likely far more creative than a D&amp;D session for example.&nbsp;&nbsp; It pushes different buttons and it also pushes some of the same buttons.&nbsp;&nbsp; No doubt there is a lot of overlap.&nbsp;&nbsp; There is no need for anyone to become hostile about it.&nbsp; An approach has payoffs.&nbsp; We seek different payoffs on occasion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 8247514, member: 6698278"] First. I think this essay is refreshingly honest. When I play chess and I am deep in thought about the game and analyzing possible move combinations, I may be so focused that I am oblivious to the world around me. I am immersed IN THE GAME. I would never though even for a second equate this sort of immersion to what I am talking about in a roleplaying game. I never for example think I am the king directing his troops when I play chess. They are just pieces that I am moving around. So I do believe when a lot of us argue about immersion, we are confusing these two concepts. For me, roleplaying immersion is being my character. Making decisions as my character. Living the life of a character. That is unique to roleplaying games and it's why I'm willing to commit to many many hours of time in such pursuits. I also think you are right in declaring that the only pleasure you can get from a game is based on my definition of immersion. I really enjoy the game of chess. I am getting pleasure from such a game without ever getting the immersion I seek from a roleplaying game. Now, obviously, I am not saying Blades in the Dark is equivalent to chess. I am not. I'm just trying to differentiate where we might be dividing over immersion. Obviously creativity is fun and doing creative things is fun. Blades in the Dark is likely far more creative than a D&D session for example. It pushes different buttons and it also pushes some of the same buttons. No doubt there is a lot of overlap. There is no need for anyone to become hostile about it. An approach has payoffs. We seek different payoffs on occasion. [/QUOTE]

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