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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 8247561" data-attributes="member: 6698278">I think there are two points here.1.&nbsp; The word immersion is overloaded.&nbsp; I'm immersed when programming and playing chess.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm immersed in solving the problems presented.&nbsp;&nbsp; I would not by any means say this is the immersion of which I speak when it comes to roleplaying games.2.&nbsp; There is the immersion of viewing the fake world through the eyes of your character and acting and behaving as that character.&nbsp;&nbsp; That does mean that at least part of your character is some aspect of yourself.&nbsp; I really do believe that #1 and #2 are confused in our discussions.Well if you are pursuing #2 above, then it follows naturally that stepping out of character to do something is going to lessen immersion.&nbsp; In the same way that during a chess match, if I get up and go to the bathroom, I am going to break my immersion in that game.&nbsp;&nbsp; I really think these attempts to categorize playstyles and define everything are great but the experience came first.&nbsp;&nbsp; I didn't like playing certain games.&nbsp; They just didn't feel right.&nbsp; Now that I have figured out why, I can avoid them but the feeling preceded my knowledge of the reason.I've been making this point for years but there are many who will still argue to the death about it.It may not be known but it works for a lot of people.&nbsp; Probably not everyone.&nbsp; It's really not something reasoned out.&nbsp; It's experiential.&nbsp; We just reason after the fact as to why we get the experience we want.I think for me #2 above which is what I really think pushes my buttons, immersion is best achieved as I described it.&nbsp; That may not be true for you even if you are seeking a similar type of immersion.&nbsp; It may also be true that you aren't even seeking the same kind of immersion.&nbsp; It's hard to say without being able to read your mind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 8247561, member: 6698278"] I think there are two points here. 1. The word immersion is overloaded. I'm immersed when programming and playing chess. I'm immersed in solving the problems presented. I would not by any means say this is the immersion of which I speak when it comes to roleplaying games. 2. There is the immersion of viewing the fake world through the eyes of your character and acting and behaving as that character. That does mean that at least part of your character is some aspect of yourself. I really do believe that #1 and #2 are confused in our discussions. Well if you are pursuing #2 above, then it follows naturally that stepping out of character to do something is going to lessen immersion. In the same way that during a chess match, if I get up and go to the bathroom, I am going to break my immersion in that game. I really think these attempts to categorize playstyles and define everything are great but the experience came first. I didn't like playing certain games. They just didn't feel right. Now that I have figured out why, I can avoid them but the feeling preceded my knowledge of the reason. I've been making this point for years but there are many who will still argue to the death about it. It may not be known but it works for a lot of people. Probably not everyone. It's really not something reasoned out. It's experiential. We just reason after the fact as to why we get the experience we want. I think for me #2 above which is what I really think pushes my buttons, immersion is best achieved as I described it. That may not be true for you even if you are seeking a similar type of immersion. It may also be true that you aren't even seeking the same kind of immersion. It's hard to say without being able to read your mind. [/QUOTE]

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