That thread title was only going to cause problems anyway

[Ry]

But then why doesn't From Dretch to Demon Lord violate the OGL?

 

[Fifth Element]

But by that logic, couldn't I write a bunch of posts about aboleths, make it into a book, get it published by EN Publishing, and not include the OGL?

I think the flaw there is that technically, if you're making a bunch of posts about aboleths (and using anything from the SRD), you have to include the OGL.

Most posts don't do so, since that would be impractical, and such use may fall under fair use provisions.

 

[Ry]

Hence the question: Why wouldn't From Dretch to Demon Lord require an OGL at the back?

 

[Ry]

The book, not the posts.

 

[Fifth Element]

Hence the question: Why wouldn't From Dretch to Demon Lord require an OGL at the back?

I've never read it, so I couldn't say. If it doesn't use any OGC, then no OGL would be required.

 

[Ry]

I thought that James was saying it doesn't need it. But now that I've searched it looks like it does use the OGL.

 

[jdrakeh]

I thought that James was saying it doesn't need it. But now that I've searched it looks like it does use the OGL.

If a book were written based on a series of posts that used no OGC material, no OGL would be required. If a book were written based on a series of posts that incorporated OGC, then an OGL would be required. And I think that that the book you mention was, in fact, released under the OGL for this reason.

I never implied that you can re-use OGC without abiding by the terms of the OGL and I'm not really certain how you read that in anything that I've posted to this thread. I certainly didn't say that using the OGL was unnecessary in such instances. What I did say is, in essence, that Open Game Content in a product is defined by its creator, allowing them to alter the default definition to include certain things otherwise excluded.

There are no restricitions on what a creator may choose to delineate as OGC, per Section 8 of the OGL. If you clearly designate something in your product as OGC, it becomes OGC. This, in no way, voids the requirements of the license to update Section 15 of the attached paperwork or, in any way, relieves the creator of their responsibilites in regard to otherwise satisfying the conditions of said license.

What are you trying to argue, exactly?

 

[Ry]

At this point, I'm not trying to argue, just trying to understand. I really thought you meant that From Dretch to Demon Lord didn't require OGL in the messageboards because "you own your messageboard posts", but I thought that was weird because it didn't match with the other things you said. Now it's clear, though.

 

[Mark CMG]

There are no restricitions on what a creator may choose to delineate as OGC, per Section 8 of the OGL. If you clearly designate something in your product as OGC, it becomes OGC.

One must have the authority to so designate and contribute the OGC.

 

[jdrakeh]

One must have the authority to so designate and contribute the OGC.

They typically have such authority if they are the creator (note that "creator" and "author" aren't necessarily the same thing). Otherwise true, though this restriction is less one of the license itself than it is one of the entity making the material available.