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<blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5861590" data-attributes="member: 59506">Well of course diametrically opposed concepts or obviously different concepts don't fall inside that leeway.&nbsp; But I believe, just as it seems plenty of other people do also, that the uses and definitions that gamers give for &quot;gamist&quot; are similar enough that they all fall inside the same fluid definition of the concept.&nbsp;You may disagree.&nbsp; And that's your perogative.&nbsp; But I highly doubt you have the ability, especially as nobody has ever had the ability, to stop the evolution of a word or concept.&nbsp; One can add to the evolution, but stop it...?...not a chance.&nbsp;Resistence is Futile, Man!&nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/glasses.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="B-)" title="Glasses&nbsp; &nbsp; B-)" data-shortname="B-)" />&nbsp;&nbsp;Awesome!&nbsp; We're all in complete agreement then.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; If we use the generalized definition that you just stated: Gamist- a design element that breaks immersion by reminding the player they are playing a game.&quot;; then that is exactly what they are talking about in that thread.&nbsp; They're saying that the obviousness (visibility) of the game design elements of Xe, breaks their immersion of the game.&nbsp;I Love It when we can all find consensus here, together, like this...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool&nbsp; &nbsp; :cool:"&nbsp; data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="El Mahdi, post: 5861590, member: 59506"] Well of course diametrically opposed concepts or obviously different concepts don't fall inside that leeway. But I believe, just as it seems plenty of other people do also, that the uses and definitions that gamers give for [I]"gamist"[/I] are similar enough that they all fall inside the same fluid definition of the concept. You may disagree. And that's your perogative. But I highly doubt you have the ability, especially as nobody has [I]ever[/I] had the ability, to stop the evolution of a word or concept. One can add to the evolution, but stop it...?...not a chance. Resistence is Futile, Man! B-) Awesome! We're all in complete agreement then.:D If we use the generalized definition that you just stated: [I]Gamist- a design element that breaks immersion by reminding the player they are playing a game."[/I]; then that is exactly what they are talking about in that thread. They're saying that the obviousness (visibility) of the game design elements of Xe, breaks their immersion of the game. I Love It when we can all find consensus here, together, like this...;) :cool: [/QUOTE]

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