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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 4402633" data-attributes="member: 5122">I have to admit I was a little surprised that 4E didn't tackle the 15-minute day problem by means of the XP-carrot.&nbsp; (E.g., if the PCs complete one or two encounters between rests, they get 50 percent of normal XP.&nbsp; Three gets them 75 percent.&nbsp; Four gets them 100 percent, and five or more gets them 110 percent.)&nbsp; The milestone mechanic is all about trying to motivate players to keep seeking encounters, so how did they miss the greatest player-motivator of all: XP?In my experience with 3.5, the 15-minute day problem only occurs with certain players (either the extremely cautious, or the extravagant spellcaster) or when an encounter, for whatever reason, turns out to be really, really tough.&nbsp; In the former case, those players will respond to the XP-carrot, or at the very least bow to peer pressure.&nbsp; In the latter case, I don't really have a problem with the 15-minute day.As a player, I have one extravagant spellcaster in one game, and a combination cautious player/extravagant spellcaster in another game.&nbsp; In both cases, I use my PC's impatience, and my own influence as a player, to continually push those players to either be wiser or get over it.&nbsp; So far it's working okay, and both have improved.As a DM, I'm lucky enough to have neither type of player.&nbsp; Both primary spellcaster and artificer are wise with spells/infusions, and in general it's more of an issue to get the group to let game time pass than it is to keep them on the clock.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 4402633, member: 5122"] I have to admit I was a little surprised that 4E didn't tackle the 15-minute day problem by means of the XP-carrot. (E.g., if the PCs complete one or two encounters between rests, they get 50 percent of normal XP. Three gets them 75 percent. Four gets them 100 percent, and five or more gets them 110 percent.) The milestone mechanic is all about trying to motivate players to keep seeking encounters, so how did they miss the greatest player-motivator of all: XP? In my experience with 3.5, the 15-minute day problem only occurs with certain players (either the extremely cautious, or the extravagant spellcaster) or when an encounter, for whatever reason, turns out to be really, really tough. In the former case, those players will respond to the XP-carrot, or at the very least bow to peer pressure. In the latter case, I don't really have a problem with the 15-minute day. As a player, I have one extravagant spellcaster in one game, and a combination cautious player/extravagant spellcaster in another game. In both cases, I use my PC's impatience, and my own influence as a player, to continually push those players to either be wiser or get over it. So far it's working okay, and both have improved. As a DM, I'm lucky enough to have neither type of player. Both primary spellcaster and artificer are wise with spells/infusions, and in general it's more of an issue to get the group to let game time pass than it is to keep them on the clock. [/QUOTE]

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