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The 3.5 sai - a piercing and/or bludgeoning weapon?
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<blockquote data-quote="Tellerve" data-source="post: 1046685" data-attributes="member: 2412"><p>takyris-</p><p></p><p>I agree that the sai probably came from a farming implement. As a lot, LOT of weapons of from Asia came from that background, also one of the reasons martial arts throughout the world were often created. Because the leaders didn't want the people having weapons, so they either developed a way to use things they had, flails, staffs, scythes/kamas, etc etc or they developed techniques to use their bodies. EDIT: I see you basically hit this point, I um...err ahh, just repeating for effect <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Secondly, yes I'm talking about the morning star with the pointy, ohh look POINTY bits on it. Just like the really really long pointy bit on a sai. Truthfully I never knew that sai's were used butt/pommel first until the webpage above showed it. I don't and don't pretend to know how to use a sai in real life. Hence I thought the pointy end was the exclusively used part. EDIT: There are morningstars with chains and ones without. Either for my purposes in DND I believe are labeled as having B/P, which I don't get why they get to be but the sai doesn't.</p><p></p><p>Yes a morningstar has pointy bits, but mainly it the huge ball of iron/steel that carried the impact. It wasn't a precision weapon, you beat in the general are of the body with the weapon. I've seen real morningstars and the tips weren't especially sharp. I'm sure they would puncture skin and flesh since they have a lot of force behind them. The same should be said for the sai. I have a longsword, which sadly isn't as sharp as I'd like, but it is sharp on both sides and not overly sharp at the end. I do think you could run someone through with it, however. But, seeing as the way the weapon looks, is weighted, and was designed, it wouldn't be typically done that way until the guy was on the ground and you had an open opportunity. In stead you'd use that long blade to slash at them. A recreated drusus (did i spell that right?) roman short sword I saw when I was in Madrid was really dull on the sides but really really sharp and very pointy at the tip. It was stout and solid and obviously for jabbing at people. The sai has a really long very thin point that cries out to use physics and push it easily into peoples bodies, and through armor joints (what they said it was used for in the website that seems a lot more knowledgeable that any of us). How it was also seen to be used allows me to understand where they mean it is bludgeoning (from the pommel strikes). </p><p></p><p>The argument that a staff could be shoved into someone is a stretch in my opinion, because the end of a staff doesn't end in a point, it doesn't decrease in size along its length. Also, the nature of a staff, being that it is so large/long and yet has no good pointy tip shows that it was used how we all know it to be used, as a bashing/bludgeoning weapon. A sai, smaller, the size of a good large dagger or short sword follows that it could much more easily be made to jab at people.</p><p></p><p>Tellerve</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tellerve, post: 1046685, member: 2412"] takyris- I agree that the sai probably came from a farming implement. As a lot, LOT of weapons of from Asia came from that background, also one of the reasons martial arts throughout the world were often created. Because the leaders didn't want the people having weapons, so they either developed a way to use things they had, flails, staffs, scythes/kamas, etc etc or they developed techniques to use their bodies. EDIT: I see you basically hit this point, I um...err ahh, just repeating for effect :) Secondly, yes I'm talking about the morning star with the pointy, ohh look POINTY bits on it. Just like the really really long pointy bit on a sai. Truthfully I never knew that sai's were used butt/pommel first until the webpage above showed it. I don't and don't pretend to know how to use a sai in real life. Hence I thought the pointy end was the exclusively used part. EDIT: There are morningstars with chains and ones without. Either for my purposes in DND I believe are labeled as having B/P, which I don't get why they get to be but the sai doesn't. Yes a morningstar has pointy bits, but mainly it the huge ball of iron/steel that carried the impact. It wasn't a precision weapon, you beat in the general are of the body with the weapon. I've seen real morningstars and the tips weren't especially sharp. I'm sure they would puncture skin and flesh since they have a lot of force behind them. The same should be said for the sai. I have a longsword, which sadly isn't as sharp as I'd like, but it is sharp on both sides and not overly sharp at the end. I do think you could run someone through with it, however. But, seeing as the way the weapon looks, is weighted, and was designed, it wouldn't be typically done that way until the guy was on the ground and you had an open opportunity. In stead you'd use that long blade to slash at them. A recreated drusus (did i spell that right?) roman short sword I saw when I was in Madrid was really dull on the sides but really really sharp and very pointy at the tip. It was stout and solid and obviously for jabbing at people. The sai has a really long very thin point that cries out to use physics and push it easily into peoples bodies, and through armor joints (what they said it was used for in the website that seems a lot more knowledgeable that any of us). How it was also seen to be used allows me to understand where they mean it is bludgeoning (from the pommel strikes). The argument that a staff could be shoved into someone is a stretch in my opinion, because the end of a staff doesn't end in a point, it doesn't decrease in size along its length. Also, the nature of a staff, being that it is so large/long and yet has no good pointy tip shows that it was used how we all know it to be used, as a bashing/bludgeoning weapon. A sai, smaller, the size of a good large dagger or short sword follows that it could much more easily be made to jab at people. Tellerve [/QUOTE]
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