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<blockquote data-quote="Sejs" data-source="post: 1606142" data-attributes="member: 4910">As long as it's not a picture of Wilford Brimley in a g-string eatting a bowl of pudding, I'd be okay with it.Anyway - the problem with asking for examples of an unknowable (or destabilizing, take your pick) concept is it's like trying to prove a negative.&nbsp; An example can't be provided, because if the provider knew one, he'd be aware of it, therefor mad, therefor unable to provide the example.&nbsp; Likewise, someone would be unable to recieve the example, because if they did they'd break and thus be unable to recognise the example.How many philosophers spinning in their graves does it take to screw in a lightbulb?The heart of the discussion, however, isn't &quot;can something be so alien that we cannot in any way conceptualize it?&quot; - sure, why not.&nbsp; Infinite universe and all, but if we can't conceptualize it, there's nothing we can do.&nbsp; Unstoppable forces and immovable objects - just leave it be.&nbsp; The heart of the discussion is &quot;How can we portray, in a believeable manner, something that lies outside of our frame of reference without just handwaving our way thru things and taking the easy way out?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sejs, post: 1606142, member: 4910"] As long as it's not a picture of Wilford Brimley in a g-string [i]eatting a bowl of pudding[/i], I'd be okay with it. Anyway - the problem with asking for examples of an unknowable (or destabilizing, take your pick) concept is it's like trying to prove a negative. An example can't be provided, because if the provider knew one, he'd be aware of it, therefor mad, therefor unable to provide the example. Likewise, someone would be unable to recieve the example, because if they did they'd break and thus be unable to recognise the example. How many philosophers spinning in their graves does it take to screw in a lightbulb? The heart of the discussion, however, isn't "can something be so alien that we cannot in any way conceptualize it?" - sure, why not. Infinite universe and all, but if we can't conceptualize it, there's nothing we can do. Unstoppable forces and immovable objects - just leave it be. The heart of the discussion is "How can we portray, in a believeable manner, something that lies outside of our frame of reference without just handwaving our way thru things and taking the easy way out?" [/QUOTE]

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