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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Avenger" data-source="post: 6189552" data-attributes="member: 779"><p>I posted <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?342268-New-D-amp-D-Next-Playtest-package-is-up-(19-9-2013)-merged-threads/page15#ixzz2g0Ye72Q2" target="_blank">this before</a> in the thread about the packet being released, but it's buried under a lot of other posts.</p><p></p><p>-It seems like the Bard is the only class with only 4 ability increases/feats. They need to change that, as it was my criticism of every class that had only 4 last session.</p><p>-Bardic music only once per encounter, and you can't choose a different one later in the encounter if you stop performing, seems simple enough. Also I noticed the refresh is after 10 minutes, but a short rest is still 1 hour.</p><p>-So far the Bard Colleges are good for a core Bard, but I feel there needs to be a bit more variance between them. One of them would be a more spellcastery Bard, could be something that should be toyed with.</p><p>-I miss the ability to use Suggestion on fascinated targets with Bardic music, the College of Wit really needs that brought back from the old Bard abilities.</p><p>-Save profs of Intelligence and Charisma, I feel there's a problem with those 2 saves since they're so far the less commonly used ones. Granted Bards should be proficient in Charisma saves. That leaves Int saves. I think it might be better if different subclasses grant a different secondary save prof.</p><p>-I miss Bards getting 6th level spells, I know that being half casters is appropriate for most cases of the Bard, but some could be 3/4 or maybe full casters.</p><p>-"Implements", I don't approve of only musical instruments offering spellcasting bonuses. What if the Bard is a vocalist or a dancer? I think at least wands should be added. And doesn't that just make it odd for College of Valor Bards, with a sword in one hand and a lute in the other.</p><p>-Countercharm, Improved Dispel and Jack of All Trades I approve of. Battle magic is good, but it's something I feel could also be College of Valor only, if something is needed to make other colleges have more options to input later.</p><p>-The extra dice of damage for Call to Battle is probably easier to remember than, +2 I had to call out for the Inspire Courage all the time when I played one.</p><p>- Magical Secrets is something I feel a Bard should get at a lower level, starting with just 1 new non-bard spell learned, and gaining more as the Bard levels up.</p><p>-College of Valor is good Bardic version of a Warlord, but I feel if any subclass of the Bard deserves a d8 hit die, it's that one.</p><p>-Song of Rest is something I feel could be moved the the greater Bard class.</p><p>-I don't think the last abilities of both subclasses should be a free spell known, plus a free casting. I feel it should be another bardic music use, though maybe something that only happens once per performance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kobold Avenger, post: 6189552, member: 779"] I posted [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?342268-New-D-amp-D-Next-Playtest-package-is-up-(19-9-2013)-merged-threads/page15#ixzz2g0Ye72Q2"]this before[/URL] in the thread about the packet being released, but it's buried under a lot of other posts. -It seems like the Bard is the only class with only 4 ability increases/feats. They need to change that, as it was my criticism of every class that had only 4 last session. -Bardic music only once per encounter, and you can't choose a different one later in the encounter if you stop performing, seems simple enough. Also I noticed the refresh is after 10 minutes, but a short rest is still 1 hour. -So far the Bard Colleges are good for a core Bard, but I feel there needs to be a bit more variance between them. One of them would be a more spellcastery Bard, could be something that should be toyed with. -I miss the ability to use Suggestion on fascinated targets with Bardic music, the College of Wit really needs that brought back from the old Bard abilities. -Save profs of Intelligence and Charisma, I feel there's a problem with those 2 saves since they're so far the less commonly used ones. Granted Bards should be proficient in Charisma saves. That leaves Int saves. I think it might be better if different subclasses grant a different secondary save prof. -I miss Bards getting 6th level spells, I know that being half casters is appropriate for most cases of the Bard, but some could be 3/4 or maybe full casters. -"Implements", I don't approve of only musical instruments offering spellcasting bonuses. What if the Bard is a vocalist or a dancer? I think at least wands should be added. And doesn't that just make it odd for College of Valor Bards, with a sword in one hand and a lute in the other. -Countercharm, Improved Dispel and Jack of All Trades I approve of. Battle magic is good, but it's something I feel could also be College of Valor only, if something is needed to make other colleges have more options to input later. -The extra dice of damage for Call to Battle is probably easier to remember than, +2 I had to call out for the Inspire Courage all the time when I played one. - Magical Secrets is something I feel a Bard should get at a lower level, starting with just 1 new non-bard spell learned, and gaining more as the Bard levels up. -College of Valor is good Bardic version of a Warlord, but I feel if any subclass of the Bard deserves a d8 hit die, it's that one. -Song of Rest is something I feel could be moved the the greater Bard class. -I don't think the last abilities of both subclasses should be a free spell known, plus a free casting. I feel it should be another bardic music use, though maybe something that only happens once per performance. [/QUOTE]
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