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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1261434" data-attributes="member: 2011">Actually, I did not declare that initiative had started and that players should roll for it.However, I do not believe that the game system should allow players to do some actions in combat (e.g. coup de grace or ready action) which cannot also typically be done out of combat.In the case of players readying to shoot their bows at an NPC if he casts a spell out of combat during a few minute conversation by the other PCs with the NPC, I have no problem with it. Effectively, the characters are in combat, we just haven't gone through the ritual of rolling initiative yet.In the case of players readying to shoot their bows at an NPC if he casts a spell out of combat where they are readying for an hour or so, then I do have a problem with it. I do not think that most people can maintain their concentration for that long. Hence, I might have everyone roll initiatives and if they win, great they are readying the action. If the NPC wins initiative, too bad. Or, depending on situation, I might have the PCs roll a Concentration roll to see if they were actually prepared to fire at the instant that the NPC decided to cast his spell.But, the no ready action out of combat rule is just plain stupid. Its like saying that someone cannot walk out of combat or swing a sword at a tree out of combat. And, it is easy to circumvent the no ready action out of combat rule by stating that you were in combat all along, people were just not fighting and hadn't rolled initiatives yet (or however you want to justify getting rid of a stupid rule, even house ruling it).</blockquote>

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