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<blockquote data-quote="Ripzerai" data-source="post: 4004194" data-attributes="member: 38324"><p>Both demons and devils, traditionally, recruit from mortal souls. Since they both (in 1e-3e) dwell in the Outer Planes, which is where mortal souls go, this shouldn't be surprising, nor can this fact reasonably be taken to mean they are therefore particularly similar.</p><p></p><p>Devils don't, by and large, seduce. They use more orderly tactics, such as Faustian bargains. They offer carefully constructed contracts to lure mortals into evil along the paths of law.</p><p></p><p>Demons recruit mortals by preying on their passions and vices. They exploit the chaos within their prey. They whisper in mortal ears, drawing out their wrath, their greed, their gluttony, and their lust. They make no promises they intend to keep.</p><p></p><p>Succubi make far better demons than devils, and attempts at creating "erotic" devils (like the Passion Devil in the <em>Fiendish Codex II</em>) are perhaps misguided. However, even in eros there is order (for example, they can exploit the fear of the erotic to inspire puritans to crack down on sensual pursuits, or they can inspire mortals to enter into marriage contracts with them in exchange for a terrible dowry), so devils of lust aren't off the table altogether.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you begin from the premise that demons gain many of their numbers from mortal souls, their motivation for tempting mortals should be obvious. They do so in order to gain new recruits in the Abyss, and to spread their ideology and therefore the power of their plane. There's no reason why demons shouldn't use any tools available, from the subtle to the brutal. All Abyssal creatures as engines of destruction would be dull and unimaginative, and quite unreasonable if these creatures are supposed to be intelligent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ripzerai, post: 4004194, member: 38324"] Both demons and devils, traditionally, recruit from mortal souls. Since they both (in 1e-3e) dwell in the Outer Planes, which is where mortal souls go, this shouldn't be surprising, nor can this fact reasonably be taken to mean they are therefore particularly similar. Devils don't, by and large, seduce. They use more orderly tactics, such as Faustian bargains. They offer carefully constructed contracts to lure mortals into evil along the paths of law. Demons recruit mortals by preying on their passions and vices. They exploit the chaos within their prey. They whisper in mortal ears, drawing out their wrath, their greed, their gluttony, and their lust. They make no promises they intend to keep. Succubi make far better demons than devils, and attempts at creating "erotic" devils (like the Passion Devil in the [i]Fiendish Codex II[/i]) are perhaps misguided. However, even in eros there is order (for example, they can exploit the fear of the erotic to inspire puritans to crack down on sensual pursuits, or they can inspire mortals to enter into marriage contracts with them in exchange for a terrible dowry), so devils of lust aren't off the table altogether. If you begin from the premise that demons gain many of their numbers from mortal souls, their motivation for tempting mortals should be obvious. They do so in order to gain new recruits in the Abyss, and to spread their ideology and therefore the power of their plane. There's no reason why demons shouldn't use any tools available, from the subtle to the brutal. All Abyssal creatures as engines of destruction would be dull and unimaginative, and quite unreasonable if these creatures are supposed to be intelligent. [/QUOTE]
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