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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4005364" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>Maybe the "problem" is that pemerton seems to speak less about demons and devils in specific but more to the issues of alignment/morals in general, as it applies to "normal" parts of life.</p><p></p><p>Replace the demon destroying a town with something less absolute. </p><p>Maybe a band of orcs that have captured a few children and are demanding some money from he villagers. Is there anything to justify their actions? What could have driven them to do it? With the standard D&D alignment, you don't have to ask yourself this. They are usually evil, and a Paladin can even easily verify if they're evil and deserve a violent treatment. </p><p></p><p>Or assume the PCs having to make a few tough choices - abandoning some people, maybe even sacrificing someone (not ritually, just effectively) to save someone else or stop/delay the BBEG. With the aligment system, to figure out if what you did was morally right or not you can just cast Detect Good or Evil on yourself and check if everything is okay. And even if you don't, you still have your alignment, and if someone with an Unholy Blight or Holy Word targets you, you'll still find out.</p><p></p><p>A side effect of this is also the "yet another alignment debate" thing we often encounter in the General RPG board. People actually have different ideas on good & evil or law & chaos (the latter often seems even more difficult). But this leads to people discussing on a game-term using real-world examples. You risk getting into discussions detracting from the game, possible leading to hurt feelings at the table. If alignment is not also a game term, but just a short-hand reference, it's a lot easier to agree to disagree - you don't have to make a final judgement on whether a Paladin can use his powers or a Holy Word spell affects a PC or not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4005364, member: 710"] Maybe the "problem" is that pemerton seems to speak less about demons and devils in specific but more to the issues of alignment/morals in general, as it applies to "normal" parts of life. Replace the demon destroying a town with something less absolute. Maybe a band of orcs that have captured a few children and are demanding some money from he villagers. Is there anything to justify their actions? What could have driven them to do it? With the standard D&D alignment, you don't have to ask yourself this. They are usually evil, and a Paladin can even easily verify if they're evil and deserve a violent treatment. Or assume the PCs having to make a few tough choices - abandoning some people, maybe even sacrificing someone (not ritually, just effectively) to save someone else or stop/delay the BBEG. With the aligment system, to figure out if what you did was morally right or not you can just cast Detect Good or Evil on yourself and check if everything is okay. And even if you don't, you still have your alignment, and if someone with an Unholy Blight or Holy Word targets you, you'll still find out. A side effect of this is also the "yet another alignment debate" thing we often encounter in the General RPG board. People actually have different ideas on good & evil or law & chaos (the latter often seems even more difficult). But this leads to people discussing on a game-term using real-world examples. You risk getting into discussions detracting from the game, possible leading to hurt feelings at the table. If alignment is not also a game term, but just a short-hand reference, it's a lot easier to agree to disagree - you don't have to make a final judgement on whether a Paladin can use his powers or a Holy Word spell affects a PC or not. [/QUOTE]
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