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<blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 4010680" data-attributes="member: 2268"><p>Right...the only thing that differentiated them was the fact that one was LAWFUL Evil and the other CHAOTIC Evil. Which basically means that 50% of their main motivations, behavioral patterns and beliefs were diametrally opposed to each other. Which in turn means...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...that their goals were similar in that they were about self-empowerment without regard for anybody else, and totally different in the ways and methods they would apply to get there, and the outlook they had on how to get that power, and what to do with it. They CAN use the same tactics, which doesn't mean they always do, but they are clever enough to realize that there is a multitude of angles to work their plans on mortals, and sometimes they overlap for demons and devils. Which is why I don't have to tack on a difference "after the fact". I can simply TAKE the fact of the alignment difference, and work with it. Nifty, those two little words, I tell you. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And what exactly makes them "Evil", in that case? Sounds more like Chaotic Neutral (Evil Tendencies) to me. Apart from the fact that their disinterest in mortals makes them a lot less useful as tools for the DM to integrate into the adventures that deal fairly often with mortals. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>And by the way, even back in the 1E MM, those two groups differed by look as well...demons were depicted a lot more monstrous, and devils a lot more humanoid, with the exception of the succubus on the one side and the ice devil on the other.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Geron Raveneye, post: 4010680, member: 2268"] Right...the only thing that differentiated them was the fact that one was LAWFUL Evil and the other CHAOTIC Evil. Which basically means that 50% of their main motivations, behavioral patterns and beliefs were diametrally opposed to each other. Which in turn means... ...that their goals were similar in that they were about self-empowerment without regard for anybody else, and totally different in the ways and methods they would apply to get there, and the outlook they had on how to get that power, and what to do with it. They CAN use the same tactics, which doesn't mean they always do, but they are clever enough to realize that there is a multitude of angles to work their plans on mortals, and sometimes they overlap for demons and devils. Which is why I don't have to tack on a difference "after the fact". I can simply TAKE the fact of the alignment difference, and work with it. Nifty, those two little words, I tell you. :) And what exactly makes them "Evil", in that case? Sounds more like Chaotic Neutral (Evil Tendencies) to me. Apart from the fact that their disinterest in mortals makes them a lot less useful as tools for the DM to integrate into the adventures that deal fairly often with mortals. ;) And by the way, even back in the 1E MM, those two groups differed by look as well...demons were depicted a lot more monstrous, and devils a lot more humanoid, with the exception of the succubus on the one side and the ice devil on the other. [/QUOTE]
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