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<blockquote data-quote="Dristram" data-source="post: 3615084" data-attributes="member: 1639">DM C&amp;C but will still play 3.5 D&amp;DI think it’s silly when gamers argue D&amp;D vs. C&amp;C.&nbsp; To me, there are two aspects to a game, feel and mechanics.&nbsp; And feel is more important to me because we’re talking about a role-playing game, not a miniatures combat game.&nbsp; As for the feel of the game, D&amp;D and C&amp;C are the same.&nbsp; It’s only the mechanics that differ, and really not by much.&nbsp; But when you talk about mechanics, even taking C&amp;C out of the equation, D&amp;D has many different mechanics for it in its many incarnations (OD&amp;D, AD&amp;D, 3e, etc.).&nbsp; To me, C&amp;C is another incarnation of D&amp;D it’s just that the company that owns the rights to D&amp;D didn’t come up with it so a different name had to be chosen.&nbsp; Heck, C&amp;C could have easily been 3rd Edition AD&amp;D.&nbsp; Though I think HackMater lays claim to that title.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> The way I see things, those D&amp;Ders who have never played the pre-3e versions of D&amp;D might find C&amp;C very odd or even incomplete.&nbsp; I find that GM’s like C&amp;C more than pure players like it.&nbsp; Especially players who love to tweak every little aspect of their character mechanically.&nbsp; C&amp;C puts the GM back into the driver’s seat of the game as it was with the older versions of D&amp;D, allowing the GM to use his imagination more and worry less about the rules.&nbsp; And the SEIGE Engine mechanic allows the GM to better handle the plethora of odd situations that may come up in a game in a fluid manner to keep the game flowing.All that said, I’ve played D&amp;D since 1983, with AD&amp;D being my main game.&nbsp; I happily moved to 3e when it came out.&nbsp; I was actually one of the original members of Eric Noah's 3e site. As a player, I found the various 3e source books very useful for me to mechanically represent my character, but as a DM, I found the sheer number of source books and rules overwhelming and restricting, causing me to have to spend more time on rules and less time on the designing of the adventure and role-playing.&nbsp; And as a role-player first, I found that when playing, my characters were vastly under-powered compared to the other character builds, lessening my fun as my characters seemed less useful and finding myself having to tweak in more powerful combos just to fit in, lessening my enjoyment overall.&nbsp; Role-playing seemed to be taking a back-seat to super-hero character building.So now, I will play 3.5 D&amp;D and have fun as long as the DM keeps role-playing a part of the game instead of just going from one combat to the next.&nbsp; But I have given up DMing 3.5 and much prefer CKing C&amp;C.&nbsp; In my current C&amp;C game, my players consist of three who never made the switch to 3e and four who happily play 3.5 and still enjoy C&amp;C just the same.&nbsp; For after all, a role-playing game is a role-playing game.&nbsp; The mechanics should be secondary and not keep you from having fun.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> BTW, FYI, on the Troll Lord Games site, there is page where those who like C&amp;C expressed why.<a href="http://www.trolllord.com/newsite/cnc/why_play_cnc.html" target="_blank">http://www.trolllord.com/newsite/cnc/why_play_cnc.html</a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dristram, post: 3615084, member: 1639"] [b]DM C&C but will still play 3.5 D&D[/b] I think it’s silly when gamers argue D&D vs. C&C. To me, there are two aspects to a game, feel and mechanics. And feel is more important to me because we’re talking about a role-playing game, not a miniatures combat game. As for the feel of the game, D&D and C&C are the same. It’s only the mechanics that differ, and really not by much. But when you talk about mechanics, even taking C&C out of the equation, D&D has many different mechanics for it in its many incarnations (OD&D, AD&D, 3e, etc.). To me, C&C is another incarnation of D&D it’s just that the company that owns the rights to D&D didn’t come up with it so a different name had to be chosen. Heck, C&C could have easily been 3rd Edition AD&D. Though I think HackMater lays claim to that title. :p The way I see things, those D&Ders who have never played the pre-3e versions of D&D might find C&C very odd or even incomplete. I find that GM’s like C&C more than pure players like it. Especially players who love to tweak every little aspect of their character mechanically. C&C puts the GM back into the driver’s seat of the game as it was with the older versions of D&D, allowing the GM to use his imagination more and worry less about the rules. And the SEIGE Engine mechanic allows the GM to better handle the plethora of odd situations that may come up in a game in a fluid manner to keep the game flowing. All that said, I’ve played D&D since 1983, with AD&D being my main game. I happily moved to 3e when it came out. I was actually one of the original members of Eric Noah's 3e site. As a player, I found the various 3e source books very useful for me to mechanically represent my character, but as a DM, I found the sheer number of source books and rules overwhelming and restricting, causing me to have to spend more time on rules and less time on the designing of the adventure and role-playing. And as a role-player first, I found that when playing, my characters were vastly under-powered compared to the other character builds, lessening my fun as my characters seemed less useful and finding myself having to tweak in more powerful combos just to fit in, lessening my enjoyment overall. Role-playing seemed to be taking a back-seat to super-hero character building. So now, I will play 3.5 D&D and have fun as long as the DM keeps role-playing a part of the game instead of just going from one combat to the next. But I have given up DMing 3.5 and much prefer CKing C&C. In my current C&C game, my players consist of three who never made the switch to 3e and four who happily play 3.5 and still enjoy C&C just the same. For after all, a role-playing game is a role-playing game. The mechanics should be secondary and not keep you from having fun. :D BTW, FYI, on the Troll Lord Games site, there is page where those who like C&C expressed why. [url]http://www.trolllord.com/newsite/cnc/why_play_cnc.html[/url] [/QUOTE]

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