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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6215781" data-attributes="member: 6696971">The woman wraps Thurgon in a teary-eyed hug quickly, releases him, composes herself by clearing her throat and straightening her longskirt: "Please see your promise through, good Sir Knight."The boy grins broadly as you address him and says "Yes Sir!" with polish and vigor.I think we should have a general discussion about our play efforts here at some point and with some focus on the manifestation of genre as unfixed elements become fixed.  None of us have played together before and know each other only through a litany of posts, so its interesting to see things come together.  [With the Hard DC sufficiently obliterated] Malevolence takes all forms from wanton destruction merely to titilate the twisted mind, to the simple; greed and service to self at the expense of others.  Those in power that can orchestrate such things are often are beholden to the latter vice...and ultimately destroyed by it.For the purposes of this exercise, I think the easiest way to go would be that you effectively have a token to cash in at your discretion that provides: - Auto-success (fiat) on any one effort where an attack roll would apply and a + 2 on any future roll of your choosing (you devise the applicable fictional positioning).  Applied Dailies in these scenarios do cost a Healing Surge.If you have another offer that serves the same level of utility and functionality, I'll gladly hear it and I'm pretty amenable to most offers.1 - Going back to your newly gained lackey.  This would be handled in one of a few ways in my game:a)  Campanion character that would generally provide background color but be invoked for combat scenarios when another character would be appropriate/required (this guy would be a brute companion).  He would, of course, count as a full character in terms of xp budgetting.b)  An Alternative Advancement Reward that eats up some of your current, or future, item budget (see pemerton's herald) that can be invoked for some limited-use effect (and may have a constant "Property" effect as well - see your Laurel Circlet).  For instance.  This guy could give you a constant Streetwise bonus with a Daily interrupt action that lets him take a hit for you.  I'd have to sort out the item budget and charge you, but that would certainly be one way to do it.c)  He could be both (companion character and an AAR).As to your second question, I find 4e has multiple vectors here to leverage:1 - Thematic malleability with refluffing; You could retain those bonuses but transform their meaning within the fiction.  Perhaps defiance of principle hones your senses for the moment.2 - 4e has three primary fungible assets the way I see it; (i) Healing Surges, (ii) cash/item budget, (iii) Action Points.  Any one of them could be cashed out for some kind of alternative effect immediately if you don't want to just refluff.  3 - If you want to work toward a nihilistic, principle-defying attribute that provides function/utility, this would certainly be a cue to that end.  We could certainly devise an Alternative Advancement Reward that you would pay item budget toward.If you wanted to opt out of this but we needed to provide an immediate effect to balance out the + 1 I/+1 P, I think there is an easy way to cash that out.  You would very likely only use 1 of those, at most, in this Action Scene.  Cashing that + 1 power bonus from Lucann out for something else you find thematically applicable (that stems from the denial of principle; perhaps the Bluff as pemerton had mentioned) would be easily enough done and generally balanced.  Let me know.I cannot unfortunately.It is as you put here.So we have bookends:1 - Thurgon2 - 3 - 4 - LucannNeed Quinn and Theron to sort out 2 and 3.</blockquote>

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