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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 5866575">BO9S is only unbalancing if you don't want your martial classes to be able to compete at higher levels.&nbsp; And I was actually referencing 4e's Slayer/Knight stances, sorry I didn't clarify.&nbsp; It's unfair and frankly plain silly to argue that martial classes should be bound by reality while caster classes should not.&nbsp; And it's not like the stances or Bo9S maneuvers were very powerful anyway.Sure, we mounted up for traveling, but we didn't fight on horseback, which is really difficult.&nbsp; It mostly involves a lot of charging and hitting on the move.&nbsp; Sitting on the back of a horse standing still isn't much of a benefit.I still stand my ground on that nothing really needs to be &quot;done&quot; with the fighter, aside from some minor improvements.&nbsp; The fighter serves two purposes as the Essentials slayer demonstrates, damage, and defense.&nbsp; The fighter should be the best class when it comes to martial weapons and hitting things with them.&nbsp; The fighter should be a good choice(not necessarily the best) when it comes to having high AC, high health, and protecting your allies.&nbsp; The most the fighter needs is a few tweaks.&nbsp; The reason these don't seem like enough if because we're still comparing it to completely unfettered casters.&nbsp; It's casters that need to come down a notch in order to balance the fighter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 5866575"] BO9S is only unbalancing if you don't want your martial classes to be able to compete at higher levels. And I was actually referencing 4e's Slayer/Knight stances, sorry I didn't clarify. It's unfair and frankly plain silly to argue that martial classes should be bound by reality while caster classes should not. And it's not like the stances or Bo9S maneuvers were very powerful anyway. Sure, we mounted up for traveling, but we didn't fight on horseback, which is really difficult. It mostly involves a lot of charging and hitting on the move. Sitting on the back of a horse standing still isn't much of a benefit. I still stand my ground on that nothing really needs to be "done" with the fighter, aside from some minor improvements. The fighter serves two purposes as the Essentials slayer demonstrates, damage, and defense. The fighter should be the best class when it comes to martial weapons and hitting things with them. The fighter should be a good choice(not necessarily the best) when it comes to having high AC, high health, and protecting your allies. The most the fighter needs is a few tweaks. The reason these don't seem like [I]enough[/I] if because we're still comparing it to completely unfettered casters. It's casters that need to come down a notch in order to balance the fighter. [/QUOTE]

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