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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5867044" data-attributes="member: 7006">The other thing to remember is that just because a Paladin might have access to martial maneuvers and divine prayers and a Fighter/Cleric multiclass might have access to martial maneuvers and divine prayers... doesn't mean they'd have access to the same maneuvers and prayers within each group.We assume that if you have a large list of divine prayers... that the Cleric will have access to all of them (and thus, by extension, the Fighter/Cleric would have access to all of them).&nbsp; But what if that's not a given?&nbsp; What if the big list of divine prayers includes some that only the Paladin can take?&nbsp; Or some that only Clerics whose gods belong to a certain Domain can take?&nbsp; Or what if the list of divine prayers and the list of arcane spells (and primal evocations, if they exist) are actually one giant combined list of &quot;magic&quot;... and individual classes that use magic have their own individual list of the ones that they can access (through whatever their means of magic access is)?So there would be no guarantee that the prayers that a Fighter/Cleric could access would be the same prayers a Paladin could access.&nbsp; Or heck... even the same list that a Paladin with the Avenger theme could access.&nbsp; Using spell lists and/or keywords on magical effects... you can separate which classes have access to which prayers/spells thereby assuring that the so-called &quot;subclasses&quot; and the multiclasses are not the same.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 5867044, member: 7006"] The other thing to remember is that just because a Paladin might have access to martial maneuvers and divine prayers and a Fighter/Cleric multiclass might have access to martial maneuvers and divine prayers... doesn't mean they'd have access to the [I]same[/I] maneuvers and prayers within each group. We [I]assume[/I] that if you have a large list of divine prayers... that the Cleric will have access to all of them (and thus, by extension, the Fighter/Cleric would have access to all of them). But what if that's not a given? What if the big list of divine prayers includes some that only the Paladin can take? Or some that only Clerics whose gods belong to a certain Domain can take? Or what if the list of divine prayers and the list of arcane spells (and primal evocations, if they exist) are actually one giant combined list of "magic"... and individual classes that use magic have their own individual list of the ones that they can access (through whatever their means of magic access is)? So there would be no guarantee that the prayers that a Fighter/Cleric could access would be the same prayers a Paladin could access. Or heck... even the same list that a Paladin [I]with the Avenger theme[/I] could access. Using spell lists and/or keywords on magical effects... you can separate which classes have access to which prayers/spells thereby assuring that the so-called "subclasses" and the multiclasses are not the same. [/QUOTE]

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