The druid is not fighting!!! LONG!

[DanteHayes]

Now, to address some of this “role-playing” drivel…

First off, the people that believe that this Druid should be allowed to make whatever character choices he wants to and the rest of the party should just deal with it…. You are wrong! This idea is tantamount to allowing Paladins and Blackguards to adventure together in the name of “role-playing”. If one player is so far off of the rest of the party’s ethical and/or moral compass that problems are arising, then they should exercise the good judgment to alter their character concept or get a new one. And, if they fail to exercise that good judgment, then someone, whether player or DM, should strongly encourage them to do so.

Secondly, to the crowd who likes to type “ROLEPLAYING” in all caps, if you find the idea that playing a fighter who has optimized his combat prowess though intelligent feat and weapon selection is somehow anathema to good role-playing, you should be bludgeoned with a ball-peen hammer. I’ve got news for you, it is possible to play a character that is good at the hack-n-slash and offers in-depth role-playing potential. If you can’t conceive of that, then you shouldn’t be offering role-playing advise to anyone.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

The easy way out.

Create a tweaked NPC Necromancer, with DCs through the roof. Have him cast Finger of Death at the druid repeatedly until he dies.

Party doesn't pay to raise the druid, he gets the message, he rolls up another character, and the party moves on.

 

[DragonLancer]

Re: The easy way out.

Create a tweaked NPC Necromancer, with DCs through the roof. Have him cast Finger of Death at the druid repeatedly until he dies.

Party doesn't pay to raise the druid, he gets the message, he rolls up another character, and the party moves on.

Why have you got such hatred for this character or the player for that fact, that you would spoil his gaming like that? Do you really want to drive someone away from gaming? Because thats what that would do. It would probably also spoil any friendships that exist between him and the DM & players.

 

[DanteHayes]

Have the party never heard of retreating before a superior foe? Obviously not. The rest of the party is at blame as well here. Just standing there trying to hold off a stronger party of Drow seems stupid to me.

Was retreat an option? I don't believe I've read one way or another so, I will refrain from gross speculation.

Can tell you don't work in big business or for the government then...

No, if I worked for big business or government, I would document their bad behavior 3-5 times and turn that over to HR, then fire them.

How is the DM at fault? Please explain because you have lost me here. It doesn't matter what the concepts are providing they don't conflict, and I don't believe they are (from what I've read).

Clearly there is conflict over one player's non-combatant-Druid concept and three other player's need-fourth-player's-support-during-combat concepts. For more clarification, read the first post on this thread.

So once again the Druids' player will get the shaft because you don't like the way he plays his character! I really don't understand why you guys are picking on him like this!

Because he deserves it.

 

[Necrogorgon]

I think there is a common sense compromise that can be made here surely. The Druid player can agree to be a "bit" more mindful of his role in combat and the other players can agree to be a "bit" more mindful of his desire to remain true to character. If you have players with mixed interests, that is the best you can do.

As for the nature of some of the posts directed at DragonLancer... grow up. He is only arguing a point and there is no need for the derision and disrespect.

 

[Wippit Guud]

Have the party never heard of retreating before a superior foe? Obviously not. The rest of the party is at blame as well here. Just standing there trying to hold off a stronger party of Drow seems stupid to me.

It wasn't a superior foe. They beat them. Had the druid acted, no one would have died. You can't blame a DM for making an encounter suited to 6 players, and one player doesn't contribute his 20% to the situation.

If the druid does nothing, how does he learn anything (represented in game by experience)? And yes, he says he wants to make epic levels.... if he lets his party die, and it's just him left, he's not making epic levels.

 

[mmu1]

So once again the Druids' player will get the shaft because you don't like the way he plays his character! I really don't understand why you guys are picking on him like this!

Why is that a hard concept? Why should the Druid player's ability to enjoy the game take precedence over the enjoyment of four other people?

He made some "roleplaying" choices a number of people here think were pretty low, and they're saying as much. Glad to see I'm not the only one here who thinks taking risks for the greater good and being a selfish git aren't equally valid and acceptable choices.

 

[Creeping Death]

Role-player POV only please.

How does this statement make the druid's player a better role-player?

Arbados has also said that, the Druid doesn't put himself into dangerous situations because he wants to make it to Epic levels.

Is this the player being selfish wanting to survive at all costs, including sacrificing other player's characters to make it there or is this the druid's player making decisions based on meta-game knowledge?

What is your response to: "Arbados has also said that, the Druid doesn't put himself into dangerous situations because he wants to make it to Epic levels." ?

I'm just curious, I don't want to make a "judgement" until a bunch of other questions have been answered, but I would like to see what the role-playing side of this debate has to say about what Arbados has said.

just curious,

edit: fixed a spelling mistake.

 

[Wippit Guud]

Re: Role-player POV only please.

What is your response to: "Arbados has also said that, the Druid doesn't put himself into dangerous situations because he wants to make it to Epic levels." ?

I'm just curious, I don't want to make a "judgement" until a bunch of other questions have been answered, but I would like to see what the role-playing side of this debate has to say about what Arbados has said.

Well, for a RP reason... see Raistlin Majere.

Course, in that case, the druid is about to alignment shift...

 

[DragonLancer]

Why is that a hard concept? Why should the Druid player's ability to enjoy the game take precedence over the enjoyment of four other people?

It doesn't, and I have never said that. Are you saying that character deaths spoil the game? It shouldn't. It should dissapointing at best, but hardly something to spoil your gaming.