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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shin Okada" data-source="post: 2282626" data-attributes="member: 1956">Defensive stance is hard to use (until you reach to 8th-level). But Dwarven Defender class gives you d12 HD, good fort and will saves, AC bonus, Uncanny Dodge (and Improved one), & DR. Also, Listen and Spot are class skills. It is an excellent warrior class. You don't even need to use defensive stance. Start from Dwarven fighter substitution levels (in Races of Stone) or maybe Dwarven paladin. Paladin 3/Fighter 4/Dwarven Defender 2 is really hard to stop.Edit: And Fighter 6 (or Paladin 2/Fighter 4)/Exotic Weapon Master 1/Dwarven Defender 2 is a strong build. Use your mighty Dwarven Waraxe in two-hand and select Uncanny Blow as an exotic weapon master.Frenzied Berserker is strong in offence. But unless you can make DC 20 will saves for sure, you will eventually kill your own allies. Barbarian 1/Fighter 6/Frenzied Berserker 2 only has base will save bonus of +2. Also, it indicates that even lower level clerics will Hold you very easily. While helpless, your offensive power is nothing. And even if you are in deathless frenzy, Coup de Grace may still kill you.</blockquote>