The Final Announcement from The Descent Live Stream: Eberron Hardcover

The final announcement at the end of The Descent stream is a hardcover book for the Eberron setting!
No details have been announced, but Nathan Stewart closed out the live stream event for The Descent by proclaiming the final book out this year would be a hardcover setting book for Eberron.
 
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Feeroper

Visitor
Disappointing. I had hoped they would have done something else since they have done Eberron all the time. Congrats to those who love Eberron though. I hope one day they at least open Greyhawk to DMs Guild.
 

Abstruse

Adventurer
I'd also like to know what about Eberron seems to throw some people into these sort of passive-aggressive (or straight aggressive) fits. It's a pretty cool setting.
I think a big part of it is that Eberron was released as a PDF last year for $20 and that the The Descent event spent a lot of time talking up the print-on-demand DM's Guild offerings including the Eberron PDF. So people are wondering...what did we spend money on last year then?

Another issue is that WotC hasn't listed any details whatsoever and, while Eberron creator Keith Baker was involved in the PDF Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron, there's been no mention if he'll be involved with this as Nathan Stewart presented this as the sole brainchild of himself and Kate Welch at the end of the stream.
 

a.everett1287

Explorer
The fact that it's not (insert poster's favorite setting here).
I guess that makes sense.

I don't know, I'm not such a miserable sack of crap that I feel the need to denigrate an optional supplement just because I'm not a fan, but to each their own I guess.

(not directing this at you, Staffan.)
 

a.everett1287

Explorer
I think a big part of it is that Eberron was released as a PDF last year for $20 and that the The Descent event spent a lot of time talking up the print-on-demand DM's Guild offerings including the Eberron PDF. So people are wondering...what did we spend money on last year then?

Another issue is that WotC hasn't listed any details whatsoever and, while Eberron creator Keith Baker was involved in the PDF Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron, there's been no mention if he'll be involved with this as Nathan Stewart presented this as the sole brainchild of himself and Kate Welch at the end of the stream.
Okay, if the bolded is actually part of the concern, wouldn't it be better to actually... wait... for information?

As for the top portion... You paid for the PDF, which this may or may not work better in tandem with.
 

Dire Bare

Adventurer
From the Twitch Chat, it sounds like it will be a different book than Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron.
They already announced months ago that IF they did an Eberron hardcover release, it would overlap with, but be a different book than "The Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron".

If they keep true to what was announced earlier (and if I am remembering correctly), the Wayfinder's Guide will be updated with the final version of the Artificer class, and maybe some other stuff to. The new hardcover will probably also include the Artificer, and maybe some other material from Wayfinder's Guide, but will be "different" and include material NOT in the Wayfinder's Guide.
 

Parmandur

Legend
I think a big part of it is that Eberron was released as a PDF last year for $20 and that the The Descent event spent a lot of time talking up the print-on-demand DM's Guild offerings including the Eberron PDF. So people are wondering...what did we spend money on last year then?

Another issue is that WotC hasn't listed any details whatsoever and, while Eberron creator Keith Baker was involved in the PDF Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron, there's been no mention if he'll be involved with this as Nathan Stewart presented this as the sole brainchild of himself and Kate Welch at the end of the stream.
To be fair, the percentage of the AL-legal book they released last year that is likely to be reused is low, based on the plan for a hardcover Mearls laid out the day the Wayfarer's Guide was released: basically just the parts they released as free UA articles are likely to be reprinted, which is a few pages out of a large document. They are likely to put the Wayfarer's Guide up for print on demand, as the fluff will remain relevant and distinct
 

flametitan

Explorer
To be fair, the percentage of the AL-legal book they released last year that is likely to be reused is low, based on the plan for a hardcover Mearls laid out the day the Wayfarer's Guide was released: basically just the parts they released as free UA articles are likely to be reprinted, which is a few pages out of a large document. They are likely to put the Wayfarer's Guide up for print on demand, as the fluff will remain relevant and distinct
Adding on with my own understanding of things: If I recall correctly when Mearls was explaining the plan on Twitter, the example he provided was that it'd have more emphasis on the Five Kingdoms and a reduced emphasis on Sharn relative to Wayfarer's.
 

Tiles

Visitor
I’d like to see an adventure mixed into the book somewhat like the Ravnica offering. Sounds like it won’t have room but I’m a fan of the setting/adventure style they have been using.
 

hbarsquared

Quantum Chronomancer
I'm just surprised they would have announced the hardcover when some of the content is not even in the feedback phase, yet. The (two) latest artificer UA articles haven't even had a survey, yet.
 

Prakriti

Hi, I'm a Mindflayer, but don't let that worry you
I guess that makes sense.

I don't know, I'm not such a miserable sack of crap that I feel the need to denigrate an optional supplement just because I'm not a fan, but to each their own I guess.

(not directing this at you, Staffan.)
I love Eberron. I played DDO for years, which is set in Eberron. But I can like Eberron and still think this is a boneheaded business mistake.

Of course, it could be worse: WotC could have announced Mystara, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, or another M:tG setting instead.

Of course, some of those settings I like, but personal preference has nothing to do with it. The multiverse is one of D&D's key selling points, and here we are 5 years after the release of 5E without any real foray into that area of the game. No Elminster's Guide to the Planes, no Planescape, no Spelljammer... nothin'. If you had told me that this would be the case back in 2016, I would said you were crazy, WotC is smarter than that. Yet here we are. :uhoh:
 
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Markh3rd

Explorer
I'm excited to see more Eberron material. Our store will love playing new adventures in it as well as Saltmarsh and Descent. I'm sure planescape is already in the works as well. Things seem to be going that way. I wasn't a fan of Ravnica but I still am enjoying the game and new adventures. Too much to do and too little time to see it all!
 

Jester David

Adventurer
My reaction was probably similar to a few thousand other people: well, I sure wasted $20 on the DMsGuild.

As I said elsewhere, I'm disappointed by this.
We already have Eberron. We could already run games in that world. This doesn't give us anything new. We can't tell stories we couldn't before. We don't get more races. We don't unlock another world on the DMsGuild. The DMsGuild Adepts are unlike to do any products that they haven't already released.
We're not really given any more toys to play with that we weren't already expecting, as the artificer was already supposed to go into the Wayfinder's Guide. (If they can even managed to get the artificer not to suck before the books is released.)

Okay, yeah, there could be more monsters. Wheeee. I literally have well over a thousand monsters spread over eight books, with a ninth on the way.
Oh, and the world lore. Which I already have. Because Eberron's timeline hasn't changed. That doesn't need to be updated to 5e.


It feels a little like a snub that Eberron fans get TWO full campaign setting books before before fans of any other classic setting get anything.


Meanwhile, I'm left wondering why they gave Descent into Avernus the "Baldur's Gate" surtitle, if there's no second BG book. And wondering how many more years we'll have to wait before we get to see the rest of Hell.
 

Abstruse

Adventurer
I don't know if I'd call it a snub per se...but it is definitely in the "Not Cool" books for me personally when they charged $20 for a PDF and, a year later, ask for full hardcover price of $50-60 for the same thing again only this time it's "not playtest".

If I buy a video game and it's in Early Access, I still get the full video game when the beta period is done. Just feels odd when a tabletop RPG company is showing less consumer ethics than EA...
 

Dr. Bull

Explorer
There are a lot of people posting opinions about this topic.

I am not interested in their opinions.

I think this will be a good book.

I will buy this book.

- Dr. Bull
 
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vecna00

Explorer
I mean, I spent $20 for a PDF a year ago as well. I bought it because I like Eberron and wanted to tell WotC "More of this, please!" And now, I'm getting more of it.

The information that we were getting a hardcover at some point was out there, it's not a surprise, we just didn't know when it was happening.
 

Parmandur

Legend
I don't know if I'd call it a snub per se...but it is definitely in the "Not Cool" books for me personally when they charged $20 for a PDF and, a year later, ask for full hardcover price of $50-60 for the same thing again only this time it's "not playtest".

If I buy a video game and it's in Early Access, I still get the full video game when the beta period is done. Just feels odd when a tabletop RPG company is showing less consumer ethics than EA...
The crossover between the two books is not very significant, basically what is free on UA. Per Mearls the day the PDF was released, they were not planning to re-use anything that they were not putting up for free in a "theoretical" hardcover. So, you paid $20 for a detailed Gazeeter of Sharn, and a ton of fluff and role-playing aids from Keith Baker.
 

Jester David

Adventurer
The crossover between the two books is not very significant, basically what is free on UA. Per Mearls the day the PDF was released, they were not planning to re-use anything that they were not putting up for free in a "theoretical" hardcover. So, you paid $20 for a detailed Gazeeter of Sharn, and a ton of fluff and role-playing aids from Keith Baker.
70% isn't significant?
 

Abstruse

Adventurer
The crossover between the two books is not very significant, basically what is free on UA. Per Mearls the day the PDF was released, they were not planning to re-use anything that they were not putting up for free in a "theoretical" hardcover. So, you paid $20 for a detailed Gazeeter of Sharn, and a ton of fluff and role-playing aids from Keith Baker.
How can you say what the crossover between the two books is when the above article is literally all the information we have? Like, do you think I'd post an article that's just one sentence of "We're getting Eberron in hardback" if there was more to report? We don't know how much of Wayfarer's Guide is going to show up in the hardback. It could be none of it is repeated, it could be just a general re-write and republishing of the exact same material We don't know.

And the not-knowing is part of the problem with the announcement. If they'd ended the stream with "We're doing a hardcover of Literally Any Campaign Setting Other Than Forgotten Realms, Ravenloft, Ravnica, or Eberron!" we wouldn't be having this discussion because any other setting hasn't already been profiled in 5e and WotC hasn't charged us money for it. It would just be fans of other settings upset their setting wasn't next in line for a 5e update or people wanting something entirely original.

But no, they decided their capstone announcement for The Descent, the massive three-day-long 2019 streaming evening announcing the rest of this year's books would end with..."Eberron hardcover" *micdrop* *cuttoblack* (And I'm only very, VERY mildly exaggerating on that. Solely because Nathan Stewart did not, in fact, drop his mic. The rest is pretty accurate.)

The point is they have told us nothing other than "Eberron hardcover" and any backlash for people who feel cheated for having spent $20 on Wayfarer's Guide to Eberron at this point in time are pretty justified in being upset.
 

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