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<blockquote data-quote="Agent Oracle" data-source="post: 2894304" data-attributes="member: 40076">Hey folksI'm sure that by now everyone has been in at least one bad group.Well, right now, i'm in a bad one, I've seen all the warning signs.&nbsp; -Characters that are conversions from 1st edition (Did they have half-orc monks in 1st edition?) -Gross difference in effective party member's power (i'm not talking &quot;one guy has three 18's in his stat block, i'm talking the level 10 paladin started the game with a holy avenger, which he quested for back in 1e.) -A GM who says things like &quot;well if you don't like it, don't come&quot; when problems are brought before him.-Players pushing for heavy houseruling which would be in their favor (I can eyeball distances really good, so let's not play on a grid!)-Underwhelming experience points for actual play (a CR 10 encounter yielded... 180 exp for a party of five 10th level PC's)-Greater experience points for minor character fluff (Get a picture of your character: 250 exp.)-Overcompensated for by a collection of Over-powered magical items. (Whups! Here, have a Defender and dragonscale armor +5)-The GM has been playing forever, worked in a gamestore, etc. but is apparently still shakey on the rules.-Oh, and the GM charges for people to play.&nbsp; it's a few dollars a week, and it supposedly all goes towards &quot;set pieces&quot; (i.e. increasing the DM's minis collection).So, I want to quit.&nbsp; Here's the thing, If I just up and quit, I know for a fact that I won't be able to find another group for some time... perhaps too long.(I'm an addict, it's true.)&nbsp; I want to break ties with just the bad players, and make better friends with the good ones.&nbsp; Any suggestions for a good way to get through to the good players?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Agent Oracle, post: 2894304, member: 40076"] Hey folks I'm sure that by now everyone has been in at least one bad group. Well, right now, i'm in a bad one, I've seen all the warning signs. -Characters that are conversions from 1st edition (Did they have half-orc monks in 1st edition?) -Gross difference in effective party member's power (i'm not talking "one guy has three 18's in his stat block, i'm talking the level 10 paladin started the game with a holy avenger, which he quested for back in 1e.) -A GM who says things like "well if you don't like it, don't come" when problems are brought before him. -Players pushing for heavy houseruling which would be in their favor (I can eyeball distances really good, so let's not play on a grid!) -Underwhelming experience points for actual play (a CR 10 encounter yielded... 180 exp for a party of five 10th level PC's) -Greater experience points for minor character fluff (Get a picture of your character: 250 exp.) -Overcompensated for by a collection of Over-powered magical items. (Whups! Here, have a Defender and dragonscale armor +5) -The GM has been playing forever, worked in a gamestore, etc. but is apparently still shakey on the rules. -Oh, and the GM charges for people to play. it's a few dollars a week, and it supposedly all goes towards "set pieces" (i.e. increasing the DM's minis collection). So, I want to quit. Here's the thing, If I just up and quit, I know for a fact that I won't be able to find another group for some time... perhaps too long.(I'm an addict, it's true.) I want to break ties with just the bad players, and make better friends with the good ones. Any suggestions for a good way to get through to the good players? [/QUOTE]

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