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<blockquote data-quote="Syltorian" data-source="post: 3596639" data-attributes="member: 17406"><p>The problem is not that it is ambiguity. The problem is that it runs counter to the dogma of the faith. True, crusades and inquisition also run counter to the 'love thy neighbour' part of Christianity, but the Silver Flame goes a step further: it requires even the most evil of mortals to be given a chance to convert. The Silver Flame needs the souls of mortals to strengthen itself; killing those who do not qualify for joining it is not a radical interpretation of its will, it's actually weakening it. </p><p></p><p>Of course, as Keith has pointed out, the converts of the last years of the Plague were in it for the revenge and purifying fire, but those were not Thranes. So I'll have to go with Keith's interpretation that the carnage was committed by an influx of such Puritans. I'd see the lynching of foreigners in the streets to be more likely in virtually all of the other countries except Breland, and especially in Cyre (who were, after all, betrayed by everyone else).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I like the last part of your argument, especially with regards to Keith's explanations where those elements come from. But regarding the Lycanthropic Purge, I'll have to disagree: Lycanthropes are the result of a supernatural curse (or disease); they are not humans, and the Silver Flame has a very clear hierarchy of evil. To compare a werebeast to a human infidel does not work; the human infidel can always be converted and turned to the path of the Flame; the werebeast, at least according to the dogma of that time, cannot. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are other points which I have pointed out on the WotC boards, after reading the Course of War chapter. I don't know whether you have seen them there, as the boards are down again for their maintenance. In short, some other problems I have noticed are: </p><p></p><p>Thrane's supposed lack of discipline (whereas I have seen several times Hellcow referring to Thrane as second only to Karrnath in that matter, though I'm not sure whether I found it anywhere official); Thrane's sub-par archers (other sources state that they train with the bow all the time); Krozen being a hard-liner since the beginning (Five Nations disagrees), Thrane being allied with Breland against Cyre (Five Nations describes a battle where Cyre comes to the help of Thrane at that time), the Valenar continuing to serve with Cyre until the 980s (discrepancy mostly acknowledged in the book itself, but I don't quite understand how), Thrane's former capital, Daskara, according to the map being in Aundair at the start (error reprinted from PGtE). I believe there was one or two more, but I cannot remember at the moment. For the details, please check the WotC boards thread (if you haven't done so already; as I said, the boards are down again so I can't check...)</p><p></p><p>Disclaimer: Yes, many of those are minor, but they still rankle. Keith has addressed many of them at the WotC boards, and he has come up with some great solutions to many of them. But it shouldn't have been necessary. Beyond those errors, though, I agree: the chapter is well written, and has numerous great episodes that make a very good read. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They mention that shortly before the Mourning, there were some omens and signs that pointed towards it. That's all that I have found so far; though I haven't gotten much past the first chapter. I'm not sure whether I am keen on these portents existing, but they could be explained away with most theories we have know (and perhaps they are simply things which happened many times, and which hindsight has simply linked to the Mourning afterwards).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Syltorian, post: 3596639, member: 17406"] The problem is not that it is ambiguity. The problem is that it runs counter to the dogma of the faith. True, crusades and inquisition also run counter to the 'love thy neighbour' part of Christianity, but the Silver Flame goes a step further: it requires even the most evil of mortals to be given a chance to convert. The Silver Flame needs the souls of mortals to strengthen itself; killing those who do not qualify for joining it is not a radical interpretation of its will, it's actually weakening it. Of course, as Keith has pointed out, the converts of the last years of the Plague were in it for the revenge and purifying fire, but those were not Thranes. So I'll have to go with Keith's interpretation that the carnage was committed by an influx of such Puritans. I'd see the lynching of foreigners in the streets to be more likely in virtually all of the other countries except Breland, and especially in Cyre (who were, after all, betrayed by everyone else). I like the last part of your argument, especially with regards to Keith's explanations where those elements come from. But regarding the Lycanthropic Purge, I'll have to disagree: Lycanthropes are the result of a supernatural curse (or disease); they are not humans, and the Silver Flame has a very clear hierarchy of evil. To compare a werebeast to a human infidel does not work; the human infidel can always be converted and turned to the path of the Flame; the werebeast, at least according to the dogma of that time, cannot. There are other points which I have pointed out on the WotC boards, after reading the Course of War chapter. I don't know whether you have seen them there, as the boards are down again for their maintenance. In short, some other problems I have noticed are: Thrane's supposed lack of discipline (whereas I have seen several times Hellcow referring to Thrane as second only to Karrnath in that matter, though I'm not sure whether I found it anywhere official); Thrane's sub-par archers (other sources state that they train with the bow all the time); Krozen being a hard-liner since the beginning (Five Nations disagrees), Thrane being allied with Breland against Cyre (Five Nations describes a battle where Cyre comes to the help of Thrane at that time), the Valenar continuing to serve with Cyre until the 980s (discrepancy mostly acknowledged in the book itself, but I don't quite understand how), Thrane's former capital, Daskara, according to the map being in Aundair at the start (error reprinted from PGtE). I believe there was one or two more, but I cannot remember at the moment. For the details, please check the WotC boards thread (if you haven't done so already; as I said, the boards are down again so I can't check...) Disclaimer: Yes, many of those are minor, but they still rankle. Keith has addressed many of them at the WotC boards, and he has come up with some great solutions to many of them. But it shouldn't have been necessary. Beyond those errors, though, I agree: the chapter is well written, and has numerous great episodes that make a very good read. They mention that shortly before the Mourning, there were some omens and signs that pointed towards it. That's all that I have found so far; though I haven't gotten much past the first chapter. I'm not sure whether I am keen on these portents existing, but they could be explained away with most theories we have know (and perhaps they are simply things which happened many times, and which hindsight has simply linked to the Mourning afterwards). [/QUOTE]
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