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<blockquote data-quote="Vocenoctum" data-source="post: 3597776" data-attributes="member: 2477"><p>While the majority of the Silver Flame (itself, not the faith) is LG, it really doesn't dominate in every day life so much that it's opinions are directly relatable in most cases. Also, it depends on the actual Keeper and the influences around it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, without reading the actual text it's hard to judge how widespread and how long it lasted. I agree that it seems unlikely for the Silver Flame to lynch unbelievers all across the land for a decade, but it also seems quite easy to see it sweeping out and taking a year to reverse, then possibly continueing on in isolated cases.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have to disagree here. The lycanthropes may have pointed towards individual shifters here and there (i.e. Bob the Werewolf might throw some hunters at a shifter village to escape), but for it to be official church doctrine would require more than simply some shifters used as camoflouge.</p><p></p><p>I think it's a matter of the Keeper being isolated from day to day events, but also that it sometimes takes time for the Flame to actually notice what the Keeper is doing, especially if the Dark Voice is involved.</p><p></p><p>I don't want the Church of the Silver Flame to be a morally corrupt organization or anything, but I do want the church made up of humans that are fallible, rather than using the Silver Flame itself as something of a Phylactery of Faithfulness, if that makes sense.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree, in principle, but with the addition that the burden of proof is not always on the accuser with the Church of the Silver Flame. It would vary based on individuals. Some would look at a shifter and obviously think it's a lycanthrope until (somehow) proven otherwise, while others would make the disctinction between infectious or not.</p><p></p><p>While I like Keith Bakers work and opinions in general, it IS worth noting that his is not always the actual way the world goes. WotC controls it, and might use or discard any of it at will.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is no doubt that Karrnath imprisoned and/or killed folks suspected of spying. The Emerald Claw certainly took out Enemies of the Faith. Cyre too I'd say, and Breland's Dark Lanterns have a lot of discretionary power. I think the Dark Lanterns are like the worst theories of the CIA/KGB type agencies and limited only by themselves...</p><p></p><p>All that said, none of it is noteworthy with "normal" folks I think. Atrocities happened everywhere, but were only noted for Thrane since they are usually not the types.</p><p></p><p>Aside from the fact the debate about the matter is many many more words than the description of the events, eh? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed, I think it unlikely to be everywhere for a long time period. I can see a brief (couple years) of all over Thrane (particularly after some atrocity or another) or long lasting in specific areas, but certainly not regular for Thrane over decades.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vocenoctum, post: 3597776, member: 2477"] While the majority of the Silver Flame (itself, not the faith) is LG, it really doesn't dominate in every day life so much that it's opinions are directly relatable in most cases. Also, it depends on the actual Keeper and the influences around it. Right, without reading the actual text it's hard to judge how widespread and how long it lasted. I agree that it seems unlikely for the Silver Flame to lynch unbelievers all across the land for a decade, but it also seems quite easy to see it sweeping out and taking a year to reverse, then possibly continueing on in isolated cases. I have to disagree here. The lycanthropes may have pointed towards individual shifters here and there (i.e. Bob the Werewolf might throw some hunters at a shifter village to escape), but for it to be official church doctrine would require more than simply some shifters used as camoflouge. I think it's a matter of the Keeper being isolated from day to day events, but also that it sometimes takes time for the Flame to actually notice what the Keeper is doing, especially if the Dark Voice is involved. I don't want the Church of the Silver Flame to be a morally corrupt organization or anything, but I do want the church made up of humans that are fallible, rather than using the Silver Flame itself as something of a Phylactery of Faithfulness, if that makes sense. I agree, in principle, but with the addition that the burden of proof is not always on the accuser with the Church of the Silver Flame. It would vary based on individuals. Some would look at a shifter and obviously think it's a lycanthrope until (somehow) proven otherwise, while others would make the disctinction between infectious or not. While I like Keith Bakers work and opinions in general, it IS worth noting that his is not always the actual way the world goes. WotC controls it, and might use or discard any of it at will. There is no doubt that Karrnath imprisoned and/or killed folks suspected of spying. The Emerald Claw certainly took out Enemies of the Faith. Cyre too I'd say, and Breland's Dark Lanterns have a lot of discretionary power. I think the Dark Lanterns are like the worst theories of the CIA/KGB type agencies and limited only by themselves... All that said, none of it is noteworthy with "normal" folks I think. Atrocities happened everywhere, but were only noted for Thrane since they are usually not the types. Aside from the fact the debate about the matter is many many more words than the description of the events, eh? :) Agreed, I think it unlikely to be everywhere for a long time period. I can see a brief (couple years) of all over Thrane (particularly after some atrocity or another) or long lasting in specific areas, but certainly not regular for Thrane over decades. [/QUOTE]
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