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<blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 8704908" data-attributes="member: 7808"><p>Wow, I was busy this weekend, and I missed a lot of great discussion. I did manage to grab some files and screenshots along the way, and I've started to analyze some of the files from the data dump NuTSR provided. So far, it looks like everything they "leaked" makes NuTSR look worse.</p><p></p><p>Let's consider NuTSR's claims about the leaked SFNG playtest PDF (which I like to call the N&N version). They claimed it was faked, then they claimed it was written by either Michael or Logan Hovermale ([USER=7034739]@Graph Paper Architect[/USER]). Here's the metadata that shows both those claims are false. First, we have the metadata from the PDF, as shown by [USER=15047]@tenkar[/USER]:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]255127[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>This shows that the author is one "George Johnson" and the date from the last mod was 2022-02-12. I previously told you that George D Johnson Jr is Dave's legal name. I can back that up with some links, but it would be tantamount to doxing him (the pages that show it also include his address, phone number, family members, etc). Luckily, NuTSR has provided the proof for us.</p><p></p><p>One of the files in the Google Drive that NuTSR shared with the world includes the file "Star-Frontiers-capital ship data.docx". This file says it was written by Dave Johnson. But, the .docx revision history shows that the authors username was, you guessed it, "George Johnson" on 2021-12-10:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]255128[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>For comparison, all of the Word docs created or edited by Logan Hovermale correctly attribute their work to their proper name. Here's an example from the file "organizations.docx" on 2022-01-07:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]255129[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Now, I chose to use the file "organizations.docx" for two reasons. First, it shows the different metadata IDs. Second, this file shows how the New Genesis material changed after the Hovermales left NuTSR. Here's a list of space organizations in Logan's version, all written before Michael left in January:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Accord Government:</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mercenary’s Guild:</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Explorer’s Guild:</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Settler’s Guild:</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Craftsman's Guild:</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Merchant’s Guild:</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Zereria Tech Industries (Zindy):</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Shield Service Central (SSC):</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Military Supply Depot (The Despot):</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bruce and Betty’s Armory (B&B):</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Huliwan Galactic (Huliwang):</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Korrnicus Enterprises (Corn-Cob):</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Herkimer-Battle (Herkimer):</li> </ul><p>And here's a list of space organizations from Dave Johnson's version in Alarms & Journeys 13, published in May:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">United Confederation of Planets and systems (UCPS)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Pan-Galactic Mega-Corps</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Confederation of Civilized Peoples</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Herkimer Labs</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Seldon Bio-Techniques</li> </ul><p>Simply put, "Herkimer" is the only organization that appears in both versions of SFNG. But, all of the "organization" information shown in the N&N PDF matches what Dave Johnson published in A&J, not what Logan Hovermale wrote. As proof, here's a screenshot from A&J:</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]255130[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>And here's a screenshot from the Truth Sucks PDF leak video:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]255131[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Combined, I consider all of this to be extremely strong evidence that the N&N version of Star Frontiers New Genesis was made by Dave (aka George) Johnson, and not by Michael or Logan Hovermale. Not that I ever really believed NuTSR, of course. But it's nice to be able to back it up with a lot of evidence that NuTSR provided for us. I have additional metadata to review, but so far nothing as important as this is jumping out. Just a lot of proof that everything the Hovermales did ends by Jan 12th.</p><p></p><p>And, just to end the weekend with some good old fashioned Facebook drama, here's my favorite back-and-forth (now deleted) with Justin on this whole debacle, from the "Oerth - Adventures in Gary Gygax's Greyhawk" FB group, late Saturday night (sorry, 3 screenshots due to size):</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]255132[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]255133[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]255134[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think this is just the epitome of Justin acting unprofessional. Arguing with bizarre animated gifs. Using sexist non-sequitor comebacks like "ask your girlfriend". And literally ending an argument by posting "last word" before the thread is deleted. He's like a 12 year old, but with worse grammar.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deset Gled, post: 8704908, member: 7808"] Wow, I was busy this weekend, and I missed a lot of great discussion. I did manage to grab some files and screenshots along the way, and I've started to analyze some of the files from the data dump NuTSR provided. So far, it looks like everything they "leaked" makes NuTSR look worse. Let's consider NuTSR's claims about the leaked SFNG playtest PDF (which I like to call the N&N version). They claimed it was faked, then they claimed it was written by either Michael or Logan Hovermale ([USER=7034739]@Graph Paper Architect[/USER]). Here's the metadata that shows both those claims are false. First, we have the metadata from the PDF, as shown by [USER=15047]@tenkar[/USER]: [ATTACH type="full" width="719px" alt="Screen Shot 2022-07-21 at 12.22.37 PM.png"]255127[/ATTACH] This shows that the author is one "George Johnson" and the date from the last mod was 2022-02-12. I previously told you that George D Johnson Jr is Dave's legal name. I can back that up with some links, but it would be tantamount to doxing him (the pages that show it also include his address, phone number, family members, etc). Luckily, NuTSR has provided the proof for us. One of the files in the Google Drive that NuTSR shared with the world includes the file "Star-Frontiers-capital ship data.docx". This file says it was written by Dave Johnson. But, the .docx revision history shows that the authors username was, you guessed it, "George Johnson" on 2021-12-10: [ATTACH type="full" width="858px" alt="SF DJ 1.JPG"]255128[/ATTACH] For comparison, all of the Word docs created or edited by Logan Hovermale correctly attribute their work to their proper name. Here's an example from the file "organizations.docx" on 2022-01-07: [ATTACH type="full" width="858px" alt="SF LH 1.JPG"]255129[/ATTACH] Now, I chose to use the file "organizations.docx" for two reasons. First, it shows the different metadata IDs. Second, this file shows how the New Genesis material changed after the Hovermales left NuTSR. Here's a list of space organizations in Logan's version, all written before Michael left in January: [LIST] [*]Accord Government: [*]Mercenary’s Guild: [*]Explorer’s Guild: [*]Settler’s Guild: [*]Craftsman's Guild: [*]Merchant’s Guild: [*]Zereria Tech Industries (Zindy): [*]Shield Service Central (SSC): [*]Military Supply Depot (The Despot): [*]Bruce and Betty’s Armory (B&B): [*]Huliwan Galactic (Huliwang): [*]Korrnicus Enterprises (Corn-Cob): [*]Herkimer-Battle (Herkimer): [/LIST] And here's a list of space organizations from Dave Johnson's version in Alarms & Journeys 13, published in May: [LIST] [*]United Confederation of Planets and systems (UCPS) [*]Pan-Galactic Mega-Corps [*]Confederation of Civilized Peoples [*]Herkimer Labs [*]Seldon Bio-Techniques [/LIST] Simply put, "Herkimer" is the only organization that appears in both versions of SFNG. But, all of the "organization" information shown in the N&N PDF matches what Dave Johnson published in A&J, not what Logan Hovermale wrote. As proof, here's a screenshot from A&J: [ATTACH type="full" width="836px" alt="SF AJ 57.JPG"]255130[/ATTACH] And here's a screenshot from the Truth Sucks PDF leak video: [ATTACH type="full" width="849px" alt="SF TS 1.JPG"]255131[/ATTACH] Combined, I consider all of this to be extremely strong evidence that the N&N version of Star Frontiers New Genesis was made by Dave (aka George) Johnson, and not by Michael or Logan Hovermale. Not that I ever really believed NuTSR, of course. But it's nice to be able to back it up with a lot of evidence that NuTSR provided for us. I have additional metadata to review, but so far nothing as important as this is jumping out. Just a lot of proof that everything the Hovermales did ends by Jan 12th. And, just to end the weekend with some good old fashioned Facebook drama, here's my favorite back-and-forth (now deleted) with Justin on this whole debacle, from the "Oerth - Adventures in Gary Gygax's Greyhawk" FB group, late Saturday night (sorry, 3 screenshots due to size): [ATTACH type="full" alt="Oerth 1.JPG"]255132[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full" alt="Oerth 2.JPG"]255133[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full" alt="Oerth 3.JPG"]255134[/ATTACH] I think this is just the epitome of Justin acting unprofessional. Arguing with bizarre animated gifs. Using sexist non-sequitor comebacks like "ask your girlfriend". And literally ending an argument by posting "last word" before the thread is deleted. He's like a 12 year old, but with worse grammar. [/QUOTE]
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